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    I'm asking because I am having second thoughts. I started promoting a Bingo sponsor recently, and thought "hey, it's Bingo. I mean, the churches do bingo, right?"

    Well, the fact of the matter is that there is money to be made. I can clearly see that. I am MAKING MONEY, with only a link/graphic on my Free Game page, and a few promo's in my e-mail campaigns.

    Here's the gist: In two weeks, just fiddling around with the sponsor, I made $150. Fiddling = sent 1000 hits. The problem is, only about 5% of the folks that signed up are depositing money. The real problem is only 3 of them are depositing enough money to make me enough coin. The real-real-real problem is, can these people afford that? I know. I know. They would have found the Bingo site with or without my link. But is that justification, or is a gut instinct to NOT participate in this whole online gambling deal.

    I'm not sure what to do. Yeah, I like making money, but I would make plenty without the Bingo sponsor, so why promote something that might ruin someone's life ie online gambling.

    Really just not sure on this one. Well, maybe I am and just had to put it in writing.

    Would really appreciate a Christian perspective on this one, if anyone were out there.

    No, I am not going to quit eating Shrimp. NO way!

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    If you are having second thoughts the answer should be obvious. Even if someone else has no poblems with that sponsor, you do. So drop them and have a good night's sleep.

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    Shrimp;

    For a Christian viewpoint on this, read 1 Corinthians, Chapter 8.

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    Not all gambling is done by addicts. I go to the track (in fact taking my mother-in-law saturday night for mothers day/night), I go to casinos. But I never figure on winning money. I put aside how much I am willing to spend per hour of entertainment and never go past that level. I think I am hardly alone in thinking of gambling as entertainment.

    So if you want to stop gambling ads, look further. Do you think everyone can afford those CD's or Video Games you are pushing? Couldn't they be spending money on food for their kids or donating to charity? Entertainment money is entertainment money.

    But if it still bugs you then, then don't. I just wanted to offer another view.

    Chet

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    I went through this late last year.
    I put up a casino site, had 15 visitors & made $125 from one of those visitors.
    I thought great.. another revenue stream apart from LS & CJ. Then I worked out how much they lost for me to make that $125. I was on 25%, so they lost $500.
    I had a big moral dilema over this & was thinking about it for days.
    I'm not religious, so I couldn't look for help there. My GF (who was raised catholic) said "if they don't go through your link, they'll be going through someone elses". That still didn't make it right in my head though.
    I still have the site up, but haven't changed it in months (it needs it badly), nor have I really promoted it to any great length.
    I think the only thing that visits the site is googlebot, and he sure isn't spending anything.
    If I could go back, I never would have gone down that gambling road.

    BTW: for anyone interested. The top affiliate at the network I promote made $142,933.00... for March 2002 ONLY!.

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    You are *clearly* uncomfortable with making money this way -- forget everyone else, why continue to do something that makes YOU feel badly?

    For me, it's credit cards and pharmaceuticals -- I joined a bunch of credit card companies last week and dropped them all yesterday. I just can't do it, I pretty much think credit cards are a BAD idea.

    Do I think people with credit cards are bad people (or even un-Christian)? lol, of course not. But I just don't want to participate in assisting even ONE person getting into trouble with credit.

    Doesn't matter if it's logical, sensible, realistic, or even sane. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] I try to minimize the things in my life that make me uncomfortable without too much worrying about whether the discomfort is sensible. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Follow the gut feeling...that is a natural instinct that is usually correct. Aside from the your morals on it, would you want your name associated with it (thinking long term business here). On our weather site, I was running gambling banners that were provided via fastclick. I also run pop-unders on that site. Not once have I ever, ever receive a complaint about pop-unders, but I received several e-mails in the first days of any gambling campaign. That told me a lot right there, and I didn't want me or my company associated with it.
    Secondly, the money issue. Is it worth it? I could be making 10, if not 100, times the money running porn sites instead of hosting, music, and weather sites. Would I want my name on that...nope. I've turned down offers to do porn sites...not just in hosting, but being an actual part of the operation. Even though its legal, it goes beyond my ethics and morals.

    I would rather make my money off of helping my clients, not hurting them [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Shrimp, you've answered your own question [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    You have indeed answered your own question.

    I figure it like this: If you have any shame at all in promoting the merchant, you shouldn't be promoting that merchant.

    Other people's opinion of gambling isn't the important thing in this matter. What matters is that YOU think you shouldn't be promoting it. Hit "Drop Program". You'll sleep better and enjoy your meals more.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Would really appreciate a Christian perspective on this one, if anyone were out there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well from a Pagan perspective. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>These eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill;
    An harm ye none, do what ye will.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I did use MoneyBalls for a while but I have decided not to use any more gambling sites for similar reasons as those which cause you to have doubts. I don't allow them to join AriadneSpider (my search engine) or my banner exchange either.

    The Wiccan Rede

    [ 05-11-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

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    The ONLY deciding factor in whether to promote ANY merchant is your own concience. If you feel unhappy about it then drop the program.

    That way you can still look at yourself in the mirror [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Christian morals don't really apply, otherwise we wouldn't promote anything! Are you happy promoting good wholesome sports gear (made by children in sweatshops) cosmetics (animal testing) or phonecards (allegedly damaging to childrens health).

    People are ultimately responsible for themselves. Whatever someone buys, it is their decision!

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    I don't waste time promoting those groups of merchants who show up in spam campaigns. Why even try to legitimize the MLMer's Casinos -Porn -Free Lottery -surf to earn -Credit reports -Mortgage head hunters and Bank Cards who blast out 120 billion spamms a year?? I also know the Casino sites suffer when Master Card announced they refuse to pay off online gambling debts for their card holders..

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    If you don't feel right... don't do it!

    I remember when I first started my site while I didn't have a clue as to what I was doing, I just put a little of whatever was available at CJ on it. Then I reconstructed the whole site 6 times in 10 months before I even tried to promote it. I dropped everything I personally didn’t feel right about, and I had become more proud to introduce the "clean" version.

    My guideline to myself is: Don't promote anything that is or may be harmful to others.

    Sure enough, it's your visitors' decision, but not everyone knows exactly what they are doing, otherwise there won't be so many tragic stories in the news.

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    Shrimp

    Just this quick one !

    Might be many who would disagree with me...But remember Emotions and Business should be set aside.

    Let me brief it out !

    1. Your not feeling right about promoting this merchant...Go ahead and drop them

    But If your not feeling right about this merchant program just because people would have to loose money in order for you to make money, then you certainly are going against the rule of business.

    Trade = It isn't unfair trade...You ain't misguiding the person...He just used you as a source to the gambling site..It's his/her's decision to take it on or not. You can't help it.
    Gambling isn't gonna stop if you or even a million like you stop promoting it.

    It's the person's own decision to go ahead with it or not. You see gambling could be looked over like just any other business.

    Business = Profits/Loss with RISK Involved
    Gambling = Profits/Loss with RISK Involved

    Same with the share market...you trade millions with a risk involved. The share broker doesn't feel guilty if you as a client purchased a company shares for a higher value and then the company just closed down.


    So the only point I need to make is.

    Do your wish..But don't do it cos you feel your cheating someone else. COS YOUR NOT...you ain't forcing him/her into it.

    And remember just incase if he/she makes a fortune that would make you proud and happy [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Regards
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    Thanks everyone! Some real good feedback here.

    Nice board you have here Haiko.

    If we all get together for a weekend camp/cookout/brain scramble, guess what I will bring? Yep, and I'll have em shipped in straight from the Gulf - 8-12 count (bigins).

    I'm going to leave the Bingo link up on my "Free Games" page, but I have decided not to promote them any longer in my e-mail campaigns. My site is game related. Bingo is a game, and a very popular one. While I can say with 99.9 certainty, I will never promote an online Casino, I think feeling bad about 25 cent per card Bingo was perhaps a little far fetched. Maybe not. I’m going to keep it there for a week. If I lose just one hour of sleep over it, buh bye.

    BTW, the Bingo sponsor I am referring to is not a CJ merchant. They are in house and they pay weekly via paypal. I am doing most of my business now, in house. The only real set back is not being able to check your stats every 5 minutes lol.

    Again, thanks everyone for your feedback.

    It's fried Shrimp tonight. Coconut fried Shrimp that is.

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    That's the perfect decision Shrimp,

    Leave it as it is...Don't worry

    Regards
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    While reciting the "Lord's Prayer" in the Christian tradition, one entreats the deity to not be lead into temptation. The corollary to that is that we are also obligated not to lead others into more temptation than they can reasonably be expected to handle. In Christianity, this is covered by the "Golden Rule" as it is by the "Wiccan Rede" for Wiccans.

    I would tend to feel most people can handle the temptation of a quarter if that is all it is.

    I may look at it for my free games page and see.

    [ 05-11-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

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    Shrimp, I always get the munchies when I see your name...and now you've hit me with coconut fried shrimp...Ooooh!

    I can't take the torture anymore, please stop! :eek:

    Ummm...what sort of sauce did you say???
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    Prawns on the Barbie, mate?

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    Oh! Yes pleasssssse!
    A little wine, a laptop and I'm in heaven [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    make it a can of Fosters and you've got a deal!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The corollary to that is that we are also obligated not to lead others into more temptation than they can reasonably be expected to handle<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Not to my interpretation....

    The corollary to that is that we are also obligated not to lead others into temptation.
    Period.

    I don't use the gambing link but not for religious reasons!

    Gambling doesn't remotely fit into my web site which is commercial buildings...

    Casinos with their non-stop intrusive pop-up ads insult me and I wouldn't want to be a part of the insult to others...

    Not to mention their shark-bait email programs!

    Bottom line: "doesn't pass the smell test".
    It's all just greedy people and crooks in my opinion.

    Jump in bed with them if you want...

    Doc

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"if they don't go through your link, they'll be going through someone elses". That still didn't make it right in my head though<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    You have to remember that they seen Hundreds of adds for casinos before. If they don't click on yours then they will do it somewhere else, this is going to be shallow but why not make money!

    Last year I tried an online one, I though wow I'm made $300 from a casino Im lucky! The next day I went thinking I was going to win more money, yet I losed $100 STRIAGHT! So I keept the rest of my earnings. I think it was ICNP.com

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    >> If they don't click on yours then they will do it somewhere else

    Interesting argument -- would you use the same for selling illicit drugs, becoming a prostitute, or selling arms to terrorists?

    Somebody is going to do it even if you don't, ya know.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Interesting argument -- would you use the same for selling illicit drugs, becoming a prostitute, or selling arms to terrorists?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That, my friends, is a silly comment.

    Americans sure have a strange attitude towards gambling...... wow...

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