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    LOL: Now you can be Rich in CJ
    "The Rich Jerk" just joined CJ,

    I personally don't like to promote these kind of programs - I don't know what they sell maybe its an very early judgement from my part - but I believe in "no pain no gain" .

    By the way they have very funny banners, take a look there.

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    All that name brings to my mind now, is the fact that someone registered for the GoodBulbs site as "rich jerk."
    Then he tried to buy some with a no-good credit card!

    I have no reason to assume it was really THE Rich Jerk, but it definitely made an impression...
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    Does CJ not have any moral values
    I was just going to create a post titled "Does CJ not have any moral values".

    I was curious so I checked this site out. I was shocked at the CJ description which included the sexist sentance "Now, if only RJ started giving away a hot babe with every order.", but was further outraged at the video playing on the web site which shows a guy blatently cupping a womans behind as she goes up some steps.

    What next for CJ, Girls Gone Wild?

    You can be sure this is a site I steer clear of.

    Edited to add that looking at his banners he even has one of a stripper doing one of those pole dances. Tisk, tisk, tisk. Is CJ so hard up for new merchants they have to stoop to this?

    I hope CJ takes a serious look at who they've signed up and the message his advertising and banners conveys.
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    I wonder how many CB programs and ebooks will be accepted by CJ now?

    Oh, and right beneath checkout entry details they have this in big bold:

    If you'd prefer to place your order by phone, call 1-888-556-RICH

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    That Rich Jerk stuff is usually clickbank type of stuff. I've never been interested in ebooks, reading or promoting them but for those that do, it's there.

    As far as moral values, I don't see any problems. There's probably people out there that would have issues with CJ having a sex toy merchant available. I don't.

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    True, but it is a step down for CJ in my oppinion.
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    uh oh.. PG-13 banners... what is this world coming to??
    Hi, I'm a signature.

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    "True, but it is a step down for CJ in my oppinion."

    It's an affiliate network/business, not the moral police. We have choice in what we want to promote. What if someone at CJ had someone that died in a drunk driving accident, should they remove the Beer Of The Month Club? Or someone died of lung cancer, remove cigar merchants? There are people out there that probably would want that. Just like the sex toys. Did you know there are some states where you can't buy that kind of stuff or have it shipped in? That's crazy to me. Girls Gone Wild? Probably some sites out there that would make a killing with them. So I wouldn't have a problem with that either if CJ had them available. We can pick and choose who we partner with, great thing about this business.

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    I agree Trust - There are many people that are scared of clowns ( not me I am one lol)

    I think that cj should of left the befree platform so they could push this type of crap over there. They diluted the cj brand, They are either too stupid to realize this or don't care. This is my last post concerning anything cj as I don't use them anymore anyway they are wasting my time.
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    I would get Girls Gone Wild up pronto!

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    self edited post ... needless post that just took advantage of cheap humor at jacks and my own expense.
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    Okay, moral standards aside, it is just not what I ever expected to see at Commission Junction.
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    Why? They've promoted parasites to merchants for years. Don't see anything moral about that.

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    Ahhh, good point. I will say no more (for reasons other than that).
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    Well, the truth is that a lot of people would be interested in purchasing something like this because of the extravagant claims of how much you can make with little effort...but I personally won't market it. Get rich quick ebooks are not my cup of tea and I don't think they provide the value that they project they are worth. Hooray for freedom of choice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    "True, but it is a step down for CJ in my oppinion."

    It's an affiliate network/business, not the moral police. We have choice in what we want to promote. What if someone at CJ had someone that died in a drunk driving accident, should they remove the Beer Of The Month Club? Or someone died of lung cancer, remove cigar merchants? There are people out there that probably would want that. Just like the sex toys. Did you know there are some states where you can't buy that kind of stuff or have it shipped in? That's crazy to me. Girls Gone Wild? Probably some sites out there that would make a killing with them. So I wouldn't have a problem with that either if CJ had them available. We can pick and choose who we partner with, great thing about this business.
    Perhaps this is beyond what should be discussed here at abw or this thread, but what is wrong with thinking that a business can have good morals? I agree with 7-days. It is just as up to you to get the merchant you want as it is with CJ to get the merchant they want. By choosing merchants that make them money that are immoral, shows they do not care or have any moral character. They are solely interested in making money - not providing a service that is good and decent. Yes, I know those can be relative terms (though I do not believe they are actually relative in reality), but it is folly, in my opinion, to say that a marketing company is amoral and is simply presenting merchants. They're making money too.

    You can still pick and choose what merchant you want. But that doesn't mean they all have to have the same marketing companies. As for the items you mentioned, I guess you could make a case for anything being abused. But that is something that CJ, as a marketing company, has to think about when they sign up a new company. If they dont, then that tells me they don't care. And if they don't care about who makes them money, why should I expect them to care about me? The company is not amoral. Again, they are making money off the merchants too.

    I do not know if it is a step down. I don't know about all the merchants in CJ or their history. I can say it doesn't represent a step up in credibility and gives me one more reason to jump ship.

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    For the simple reason that what is immoral to one person is not to another and I don't want CJ deciding that for me. I'm an adult and can make those decisions on my own.

    http://www.richjerk.com/

    That's immoral to you? It's not for everybody but maybe so aren't beer commercials with scantily clad women during football games. If it upsets you, don't watch it, change the channel. If you don't like the Rich Jerk program and if there's something there that offends you, then don't sign up for the program. Simple. But it should be available for those that want to promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    For the simple reason that what is immoral to one person is not to another and I don't want CJ deciding that for me. I'm an adult and can make those decisions on my own.

    http://www.richjerk.com/

    That's immoral to you? It's not for everybody but maybe so aren't beer commercials with scantily clad women during football games. If it upsets you, don't watch it, change the channel.

    I agree with you completely. I am only saying that CJ is not amoral. They too are accountable. If I as an affiliate marketer do not want to do business with them because of their clients, then I am free to move on. I am also free to attempt to discourage them from taking on immoral clients. Especially if they do hold many "normal" contracts. I'm not asking CJ to decide for you. I am asking CJ to decide for themselves. You are always free because you can pick which marketing company you want. Again, CJ is not amoral. They can refuse business to whomever they wish. Their acceptance of immoral businesses shows they do not care how they make money. Same with tv channels. I do indeed turn the channels or block them. It doesn't mean that somehow the owners of the station have no control or that it doesn't affect their credibility. You are equating CJ with a television set, which it clearly is not similar to. I am equating cj with the tv station, which they are similar to. CJ has the ability to have the publishers they desire, just as television stations have the right to have the programs and advertisers they do not want to have.

    I think I also have a little more freedom here because my livelyhood does not depend up on affiliate marketing. I do not mean any of this flippantly. I cannot imagine how I might feel if I was making 100k a year at CJ and then all of a sudden they made some large initiative to have pornography merchants. That would be very difficult. This is also part of the reason for speaking out. They do have "normal" and "legitimate" businesses that have credibility outside of CJ. It makes life harder for those who care about such things. (and no, I'm not saying you don't. I am only saying this in general).

    Incidently, I mean this respectful. I just thought I'd share what I thought.

    As for the rich jerk itself being offensive, I don't have enough information. If what 7-days says is correct, then I agree, in general about that site. What I was commeting on was the concept of business ethics in general. My first impression and having had exposure in the past to this site, is that of credibility.

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    "I cannot imagine how I might feel if I was making 100k a year at CJ and then all of a sudden they made some large initiative to have pornography merchants."

    It wouldn't affect you making 100k a year. How would it? I can still make money with merchants I'm making money with, regardless of who they let in.

    Some people are homophobes or maybe they think homosexuality is wrong. CJ has:

    http://gay.date.com/

    So what are those people going to do? Pull out of CJ all together? Doesn't affect you, there are some people that will make money with that program and it should be available to them. Like I said, if you don't like it, if it upsets you, if you have problems with it based on your morals, don't sign up. Partner with merchants you're comfortable with. I think parasites, affiliates that steal other affiliates commissions are immoral. CJ has promoted these types to merchants. Are these the people you want to be in charge of deciding what's moral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    "I cannot imagine how I might feel if I was making 100k a year at CJ and then all of a sudden they made some large initiative to have pornography merchants."

    It wouldn't affect you making 100k a year. How would it?

    Some people are homophobes or maybe they think homosexuality is wrong. CJ has:

    http://gay.date.com/

    So what are those people going to do? Pull out of CJ all together?
    It wouldn't affect my money. It would affect my heart.

    As for pulling out of CJ based upon their merchants, that is for the individual. That is something we agree on. I do not presume to know where that point is for each individual. My point was simply that it would be difficult, possibly costing me much, should I be guided by moral principle, instead of money. But again, though this might sound self-righteous, I truly do not know how I would actually decide to act if faced with such. I'd like to make a lot of money, but there are a lot of things in this world that come in to play when money is involved. Money can bring many good things and in itself is not "evil." It can cause much heartache also.

    There are a lot of companies that have to make moral decisions in their business. Look at a company like Chic-fil-a. Closed on Sunday. Do you know how much more money they could make just by being open on only one more day a week? Yet, that is a decision they made. They suffer monetarily for it. I doubt they suffer in their conscience, however. I enjoy giving them money because they produce a quality product and have good moral character. And no, I do not work there or own stock there .

    As a general, but possibly arbitrary "rule," I tend to look at businesses on the whole and try and understand they may not hold to the same principles that I do. If they are honest in their dealings, but immoral in other areas, then I may overlook these. It really all depends. I do not believe what has been discussed so far is enough to lead me to dump CJ. I haven't really thought about the other merchants a whole lot, actually, until now. I think I would be a little silly to quit CJ because of these two merchants, however. I would understand if someone's conscience were pricked and the found another affiliate marketing company.

    On the other hand, if CJ began touting some of these and possibly other merchants over and over and over as some great thing because of the program's "great products," regardless of actually conversions, then I might take notice.

    Lastly, what if all of them did pull out of CJ and there was a significant number of them? I bet CJ would listen, just like the did in the LMI case.

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    I watched that infomercial on their homepage, and it almost seems like a spoof of those get-rich-quick schemes, but I guess its for real.. Hey and its' 75% commission.

    WHile I' think it's funny, I'd never try to peddle that stuff to my users though.

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    >which shows a guy blatently cupping a womans behind as she goes up some
    >steps

    Go easy on the poor guy, He probably saw Chimpy McFlightsuit give the German Chancellor a surprise free neckrub and thought that meant it was OK to do something similar.

    "Yo, Blair!".

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    Perhaps there is a bit of a double standard here. How would we compare the rich jerk get rich quick approach to lotteries promoted by the govt?

    The govt preys on the get rich quick (doing nothing) mentality of so many to promote lotteries (gambling). Lotteries are advertised and promoted shamelessly as a great way to get rich or win a fortune! Is that the same as glorifying an eBook that claims to give you a chance at wealth if you buy it?

    As for putting Girls Gone Wild on CJ, I'd prefer to see AGW on CJ - even though GGW would outsell it.
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    What are you kidding? This is absurd!

    You are talking about CJ having morals when you KNOW their history with parasites?

    When did you last think CJ gave a damn about morals? Have you talked to someone professional about your fantasies?
    Comments are opinion unless otherwise noted. Remember, pillage first. Then burn. Half of all people in the world have IQs under 100. You best learn to trust ol' SSanf!

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    Well, now it looks like you can also get a "recognized" high school diploma for $249 in 7 days with Belford High School...
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