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    Recently I posted a note (and a complaint to Todd) about top-greeting.com sending us hundreds of e-mails every day. I tried contacting them, which of course didn't work. I spoke to their host, and basically got the f' off from them. I got so ticked off about it, I set up an auto responder to the address they were sending to. This also forwarded a copy to the hosts abuse department, and one other employee at the host. Seems it worked:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>> Hello,
    I'm the owner of @top-greetings.com, and my tech person informed me
    that you bounce all the messages which go to your domains back to us.
    It provides unnecessary load on our system and we would like this to stop.
    Please send me the list of domains under your supervision asap,
    and I will ban them from ever subscribing to our mailing lists.

    Thank you,

    Vlad Golounov http://Top-Greetings.com http://LUKOL.com http://FunPile.com http://EcardsAddict.com
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Vlad,
    The reason I bounced them was because there was no way to unsubscribe. I did what I was supposed to do and followed the link at the bottom. It never seemed to work. You have to understand that I was getting hundreds of these every day with a note saying 'FOLKS, automailer messed up again'. Hundreds of them. I sent an e-mail to admin@top-greetings.com to explain the situation. There was never any reply, and yet I would get hundreds of these things each day. The other day I received 3000 of them. Since I received no reply from you, I contacted catalog.com to see if they could assist. Here is what I don't understand...you claim that it is a load on your system...what about OUR system? All I did was bounce your e-mails. If it is such a problem for you, why wouldn't you think it was a problem for us? Take any e-mails on your list that are @tompyles.com @thmedia.net @myweathercenter.com @wnav.com and remove them. Whats funny is you have the nerve to complain to me about using your resources. I took one address and set it up to bounce. The other day when your host got 500 of these things...it was the same 500 that came to my single address. On top of that, you have several addresses subscribed. 500 of them to each address the other day..that comes to roughly 3000 that came in. and you complain about the 500 that bounce..Where we are located, this can be considered an attack on our mail servers. I could actually have you charged with a crime. I could also hold you and your host financially responsible for the time I've spend clearing your crap out of our mailboxes. And you've got the nerve to complain to me about using your resources. All I wanted was for you to stop sending all those e-mails. Your host will stop getting e-mails when you stop sending them to me.

    Tom Pyles
    TH Media
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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    THAT is a beautiful thing. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    LOL

    Pure brilliance!

    I'll have to remember that trick next time i get a load of spam [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Heh heh...<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    Part of me is amazed at their gall to complain and yet part of me isn't. After all, it takes a certain amount of gall to spam people with 500 emails in the first place!

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    Leader...keep in mind 'FOLKS, Our automailer messed up again yesterday, so here it is again'.

    Almost every e-mail had that in it. I just received an e-mail to my reply:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Tom,
    Thank you for your reply. It seems strange that messages
    were repeated. It could be some problem during the SMTP dialog between
    our mailer software and your smtp receiver software. We never had this
    problem with other domains and have been running our mailing list for
    over 2 years now. Please forward several instances of the messages sent to the same
    email address including the original headers - it will help us to
    track down the PROBLEMr mailer sending software is specifically
    configured to prevent sending muliple copies of the same message to
    the same email address.

    I am not sure how your addresses got on our list in
    the first place, (I have my tech guy investigating it), but it could
    be due to this new KLEZ virus which, among other things, subscribes
    emails to different mailing lists. We have unsubscribe url in every
    email, and process every single unsubscribe request, sent by email
    within 24 hours. For some reason, we never got your email to
    admin@top-greetings.com . It could be due to some temporary problems
    we had with our mailer during recent upgrade, when some messages
    were lost.(the "FOLKS, automailer messed up again" message was
    actually sent to subscribers to notify about temporary problems we
    had).
    So, this was the situation on our end:
    we did not receive your message sent to admin@top-greetings.com (our
    fault, I agree), and all of the sudden got hundreds of bounced
    messages not to 'envelope-from system address' for bounces, but to direct
    contact mail admin@top-greetings.com. When my tech person started
    processing each single message, we could not see the original
    addressee in the headers of your bounced emails,
    because of the way you bounced it, so we tried to see the emails and
    domains from the "crypted unsubscribe url", so that we can ban all addresses
    from those domains, but it yielded nothing, as every single link gave
    us the info "already unsubscribed", and emails were thus deleted
    from the database. We checked for any @thmedia.net emails in the
    database (as the only address we got it from was admin@thmedia.net),
    but there were NONE from this domain.
    We also banned @thmedia.net from any future subscriptions, but it did
    not help. Today we got another 300 emails - all the same story. Our
    guess was that for some reason you bounce hundreds of email copies for
    one single email we sent to previously subscribed address.

    I understand and apologize that it created a problem for you in the first
    place, but imagine our frustration when we get bounces with changed
    headers, and unsubscribed addresses(no emails),
    so that there's no way to figure out the emails and domains which
    cause those problems.

    I checked our database for the domains you listed
    @tompyles.com @thmedia.net @myweathercenter.com @wnav.com
    and could not find any single address from those domains in our database.
    Either you have already unsubscribed them, or my postmaster did.

    I banned all future subscriptions to our mailing lists from domains
    @tompyles.com @thmedia.net @myweathercenter.com @wnav.com
    This should take care of it. I also suggest you refuse
    smtp connections from @top-greetings.com domain.

    May I apologize once again for the problems it caused.

    Tom, if you ever get any single email from our mailing lists, please
    notify me immediately via contact@lukol.com and
    admin@top-greetings.com and forward the message including the original
    headers.

    Vlad Golounov http://Top-Greetings.com
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    I guess I didn't bounce the e-mails properly. If they (or their host) would have taken care of it when I sent them e-mails complaining, I wouldn't have had to bounce anything at all. I'm not sure what he means about changing the headers...when I bounced the mail, it also sent a copy to their admin@top-greetings.com, to abuse@catalog.com, and the sales guy. The other addresses weren't getting the bounce, but a copy of the e-mail was forward everytime I got one.

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    I wish something could be done about this Christine Hall. I received another spam from her today - the one I am certain she trolled from a website listed in my CJ account. The only place this email address appears - the ONLY place I use it at all - is hidden in the data files for the message board on that site (the board is similar to UBB). This has been going on for years at various email addresses and I am getting so sick of this woman.

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    Put Christine Halls e-mail address and admin@top-greetings.com or any other so called op-in list brokered spam farm into every Freebee e-mail form list you encounter and they all get flooded with spam. We realise e-mail marketers just don't know the differece between good spam and bad spam. They think their 5000 competitors crap is bad spam and theirs isn't. No one needs to be bombarded by 500 desperate Mortage lender e-mails so they can sell of their names to telemarketers.

    [ 05-26-2002: Message edited by: EcomCity.com ]

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    We had a problem with our mail server in my RL job whereby a misconfigured autoreply at the other end combined with a over-quota mailbox for our Administrator account (where all the bounced messages go) led to an exponential mail loop.

    What was happening was this - some muppet set up a rule to reply to EVERY message with one saying "I'm out of the office etc." - normally these OOO "out of office" messages will only respond once per month to a mail address to stop loops happening.

    To make matters worse, the muppet on the other end had also put a delivery receipt on, so every message they sent generated a reply, which they then auto-replied to. To make matters worse, the copy of the message that was meant to go in Administrator's mailbox bounced, so they got a message from that too with a delivery failure.

    The loop went on every 3 minutes or so.. 1 message, then 2, 4, 8, 16 etc until we were exchanging hundreds of the things. If we hadn't spotted it in time it would have flooded both mail servers with thousands of messages per minute.

    Uh.. so I guess I'm saying that it's darned easy to miconfigure these things [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Moo,
    I understand where your coming from, and I can see that being a mistake along the way. The issue I had here was I never signed up for anything. He was using random addresses @tompyles.com This is just a pointed domain and isn't an active site.
    As in your case, I know mistakes/problems occur. I made an attempt to inform them there was a problem. He claims he never got the e-mail. I failed to mention there were several e-mails I sent to them...almost daily whenever I received their e-mail. No response from them, so I went to host. I never asked the host to have their site shut down, just to do something to stop all the mail.

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    A 30.00 investment in a spamm e-mail harvestor accounts for 150 billion spamms per year. The minute it costs these e-mail marketing wanks 10.00 per spamm incident this crap will end.

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    If your system has procmail or a similar email preprocessor installed, you can take advantage of the me@privacy.net service. Simply configure your procmail to forward any known spam to that email address.

    See their web site for more information.

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    what is the matter?

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    Aside from all legit USA ISP's needing to bann e-mail from Far East & china servers like Kornet.net and chinanet.com ..the following companies use their own servers to blast over 100 Billion spams for branding and lame e-mail merchant con games. If you spot some major Duperaffiliates and you have links to them on your sites your just adding fuel to the spam flame wars.
    The List of known spamming company domains.

    Domain Listed for Listing Date
    2clk.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    advertising.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    amazon.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    arcamax.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    bay9.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    bidbay.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    boldfish.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    bonus.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    caligari.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    cardmktplace.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    cheetahmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    datamg.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    edirectnetwork.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    em5000.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    etracks.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    euniverse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    expedia.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ezsweeps.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    flonetwork.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    flowgo.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    freeservers.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    getresponse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    giantrewards.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    gozilla.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    greatlifetoday.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    grouplotto.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    huntingmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    iexpect.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    ign.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    internet.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    iwin.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    kimo.com.tw SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    launch-media.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    leadgreed.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    lycos.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    macromedia.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    mp3.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    muffmail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    musicmatch.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    mypoints.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    nbci.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    neopets.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    netflip.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    oin3.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ombramarketing.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    opinionsurveys.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    opthost.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    opthost2.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    optinrealbig.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ourhouse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    peel.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    planetofmusic.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    pm0.net SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    postageshop.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    prospero.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ramibourse.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    ramibourse.fr SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    sitesmith.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    smallworld.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    snowball.com SMTP bombardment 2001-05-24
    sony.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    textmessenger.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    totale-mail.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    winzip.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26
    worldpay.com SMTP bombardment 2001-07-22
    yesmail.net SMTP bombardment 2001-07-26

    No merchant on this list should be allowed on a major affiliate network if those networks had any ethics. These Super Affiliates manage their own e-mail harvesting programs to spam Internet users and play tricks with list brokers and co-opt con games with the FreeBee/incent sites.

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