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    MY Shoe Sales Stink!
    No, it's not my feet that stink. My shoe sales are way behind pace for the months of July, August, and September. I was showing a big increase from January through July 2006 over 2005. Then......... toilet time!!

    I suppose I am all alone............ Big Sigh..
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    They sell a spray for that.

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    I don't supposed I'm the norm. I use solely PPC. I did okay for a while in july and August, terrible in September, a little towards the end of september. I don't see how anyone stays competitive with the shoe websites. Whenever I search on shoes I rarely see an affilitate site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyWebAffiliate
    Whenever I search on shoes I rarely see an affilitate site.
    The term "shoes" is very broad.

    Do you ever search for a type of shoe (either with or without the brand)?

    How does that search compare for you?
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    Look at one of the post in Shoes that was posted by UncleScooter (or somebody with lots of post)

    it was recent and it was in "Midnight Cafe"

    that might help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    The term "shoes" is very broad.

    Do you ever search for a type of shoe (either with or without the brand)?

    How does that search compare for you?
    Pretty much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FairFieldGetaway-EricEwe
    Look at one of the post in Shoes that was posted by UncleScooter (or somebody with lots of post)

    it was recent and it was in "Midnight Cafe"

    that might help
    The one about the mukluk boots?

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    for me september bad month for shoes sale

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    Thanks for sharing that. Day after day I lose more money on PPC. I should stop the madness. I was trying to sell lots of differen shoes, then put it to just a few brands, now I'm not sure whether to turn it off or not. It's so hard to decide because you just never know. I know it doesn't matter, but I think people have no clue they're costing people money with those window shopping clicks (yes, I'm whining here).

    I thought about doing some different market, but my shoe results are so bad this month (just a few sales) that I'm afraid I'll just waste time with that merchant too.

    I wonder if the merchant's are hurting? I wish some of the shoe one's would confess and tell us if sales are down.

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    Are shoe merchants hurting?
    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyWebAffiliate
    I wonder if the merchant's are hurting? I wish some of the shoe one's would confess and tell us if sales are down.
    Merchants never let us know when they are bleeding. We find out when they break away from CJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airstrip
    Merchants never let us know when they are bleeding. We find out when they break away from CJ.
    Not all merchants. If I know that you are a PPC affiliate, I send out personal emails telling you of the seasonal trend and if we are seeing a drop in sales. I prefer you to be profitable and promoting our product than see you bleed or promote our competitors' prod

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airstrip
    No, it's not my feet that stink. My shoe sales are way behind pace for the months of July, August, and September. I was showing a big increase from January through July 2006 over 2005. Then......... toilet time!!

    I suppose I am all alone............ Big Sigh..
    Airstrip,

    Maybe I am wrong , but this is what I have noticed about most of your posts.

    To me, you're an affiliate that sell a lot of shoes, you like to sell shoes, you do a lot of PPC to sell shoes, shoes are one of your favorite products to promote, you had made a lot of money selling shoes online, but....................


    While everyone here knows that by now, and while many of us don't sell that many shoes the way you do because, not everyone here do PPC, or just because some of us are not that interested in promoting shoes that much, you have to remember that we have plenty of lurkers that are always looking for what's hot, who's making money selling what, and how can they copy their site to make a lot of money too.

    If you think that I am telling you something bad, go ahead and bash me, I won't mind.

    The only reason that I decided to make this post, is because when I came to ABW on exactly about three years ago today, all I wanted was to learn what the hell a datafeed was, and how can I learn to work with datafeeds because I wanted to sell luggage.

    Well......

    For a while, I even used a luggage avatar that Haiko made for me, I started to sell some luggage a few months latter, and I wanted to be the luggage man and posted about it , and then I sold a lot more luggage without any PPC and was happy with what I was seeing, but at the beginning of last year my luggage sales begun to sink, then came G-gle and buried those pages. So far this year I have sold a lot more of (That's no body's business.) than luggage, so if you want to keep on telling everyone around here how is the shoe business, and how many shoes you're selling lately or not,....... Good Luck.

    It took me a while to learn that lesson , but what I am selling a lot or not, (That's no body's else's business.)

    But, I won't mind reading what other products affiliates are selling, and making a killing with.

    Sal.
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    Sal has a good point. There are many lurkers here and even members who will clearly copy what you are doing if you are doing well

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    Solely PPC?
    I'm a little confused about why anyone would be using PPC advertising as their sole means of promotion.

    In reality, all you are doing is advertising for free for other merchants. The entire point of being a PUBLISHER is that you provide content, which drives sales. I suppose there are probably good months in the PPC business, especially during Christmas time, if you are able to get a higher rank on Google than the merchants you are promoting. However, you are setting yourself up for failure by having a negative revenue model.

    The disadvantage of a CJ type advertising model is that you are offering promotion, even though you might not always get paid. For instance, someone could find the merchant through your PPC link, email the non-PPC link to their spouse, and it could be bought from another computer, with no chance of you getting paid.

    While all of us understand this risk, in general we are not paying for it. We provide content first and foremost, and the revenue from advertising is a value-add. With PPC, you are feeding Google's revenue, not your own. They get paid no matter what, you only get paid in certain circumstances, and unreliable ones at that.

    It is hard to understand how you could not be in the hole from PPC advertising. Is the revenue per shoe sale really that good?

    P.S. For all the lurkers, my Midget Porn website is KICKING ASS

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    I don't dare tell!!
    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgram

    It is hard to understand how you could not be in the hole from PPC advertising. Is the revenue per shoe sale really that good?
    Oh!! Now I know what is meant by lurking! Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgram
    It is hard to understand how you could not be in the hole from PPC advertising. Is the revenue per shoe sale really that good?

    P.S. For all the lurkers, my Midget Porn website is KICKING ASS
    Where do i sign up.. LoL
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    Definitely
    Fairfield - you can absolutely retire in 2 months. In fact, you can retire right now, by buying my book "How you can retire right now." It is being sold on my website for the low price of $499.99, but for you I will offer it for $202.37.

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    Again, constructive criticism, but
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sal
    Airstrip,

    Maybe I am wrong , but this is what I have noticed about most of your posts.

    To me, you're an affiliate that sell a lot of shoes, you like to sell shoes, you do a lot of PPC to sell shoes, shoes are one of your favorite products to promote, you had made a lot of money selling shoes online, but....................


    Sal.
    Believe me, I take your comments as constructive any time I can apply them. Although, when I started this thread, it was my hope to find discussion from other shoe affiliates. However, your comments are welcome.
    Also, when I started this thread I did mention how I was showing a nice increase this year over 2005. That should be everyones intentions whether it be shoes or dynamite. If you can not work your business to enable an increase from one year to the next, you will get ate up by inflation. So I was not boasting. I beg anyone to find a thread of mine or even a comment of mine where I was telling how good shoe sales have been. The fact is, I usually only post when things are going wrong and I would expect that the average affiliate would be more inclined to shy away from the shoe business as opposed to copy my site and trying to do what I am doing. So it is obvious over the past 3 years that I am primarily a shoe affiliate. Am I profitable? Your guess is yes. If I use a lot of PPC, it's not likely correct?

    Thanks everyone for your well mannered, constructive comments. I must be going, shift change at the candy store. Ooops!! did I say candy store.
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    There was a time when I get offended when people call affiliates as unethical, thieves, immoral, greedy, or what hav u. After seeing and experiencing those badguys myself, I cannot anymore deny that there are indeed those affiliates.

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    Oh... I too know all about lurkers and the thieves among us unfortunately. But I do not feel like any of my posts have been encouraging the crooks to prey upon me or the commodities that I promote.
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    Let's put it this way. You really think that complaining about lack of sales will discourage lurkers from going into your niche? I have more to say than that, but I credit my survival in this business to knowing when to shut up.

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    "With PPC, you are feeding Google's revenue, not your own. They get paid no matter what, you only get paid in certain circumstances, and unreliable ones at that."

    What? You get paid for sales and lots of people make great money with PPC, not just Google. Don't understand the feeding Google but not yourself comment.

    "But I do not feel like any of my posts have been encouraging the crooks to prey upon me or the commodities that I promote."

    I agree, it's shoes. Lots of people promote shoes. Not exactly any kind of secret. Now if you were talking about specifics, brand names and such and how you're doing, maybe. But what's selling info is out there so it's not a secret either. Now a post like Uncle Scooter made about those boots, that's something more likely to get jumped on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmorgram
    I'm a little confused about why anyone would be using PPC advertising as their sole means of promotion.

    In reality, all you are doing is advertising for free for other merchants. The entire point of being a PUBLISHER is that you provide content, which drives sales. I suppose there are probably good months in the PPC business, especially during Christmas time, if you are able to get a higher rank on Google than the merchants you are promoting. However, you are setting yourself up for failure by having a negative revenue model.

    The disadvantage of a CJ type advertising model is that you are offering promotion, even though you might not always get paid. For instance, someone could find the merchant through your PPC link, email the non-PPC link to their spouse, and it could be bought from another computer, with no chance of you getting paid.

    While all of us understand this risk, in general we are not paying for it. We provide content first and foremost, and the revenue from advertising is a value-add. With PPC, you are feeding Google's revenue, not your own. They get paid no matter what, you only get paid in certain circumstances, and unreliable ones at that.

    It is hard to understand how you could not be in the hole from PPC advertising. Is the revenue per shoe sale really that good?

    P.S. For all the lurkers, my Midget Porn website is KICKING ASS

    Yea, you're feeding Google revenue but when you can put in one dollar and get two back thousands of times every month before you have to shell out your own cash you are definitely feeding your own revenue. Big time. Some of the largest CJ performers do almost exclusively PPC and not on the merchants' TM.

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    I think do whatever works best for you. I have affiliate that I recruited and they are PPC guys. One is flying high and making big bucks, the other is under performing big time (not even breaking even). I told the underperformer to pull the plug on it till I can isolate the problem of his campaign.

    Some are really good at it and if they are able to make money, why not? But the risk is always high for PPC campaigns but returns can be good if you know what to do...

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    Exactly,,,, thank You Trust
    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    "With PPC, you are feeding Google's revenue, not your own. They get paid no matter what, you only get paid in certain circumstances, and unreliable ones at that."

    What? You get paid for sales and lots of people make great money with PPC, not just Google. Don't understand the feeding Google but not yourself comment.

    "But I do not feel like any of my posts have been encouraging the crooks to prey upon me or the commodities that I promote."

    I agree, it's shoes. Lots of people promote shoes. Not exactly any kind of secret. Now if you were talking about specifics, brand names and such and how you're doing, maybe. But what's selling info is out there so it's not a secret either. Now a post like Uncle Scooter made about those boots, that's something more likely to get jumped on.
    Thank you Trust

    I too, wanted to defend PPC but decided not too.. It is as much a challenge as SEO, if you ask me. It also requires a tremendous amount of work if you want to be successful at it. I did not understand his/her comment about PPC either. By the way, who is Google?

    Enough said, and I thank you again Trust for speaking up in my defense.

    Have a Great evening..

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