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    Hi,

    I asked Haiko's permission before posting this.

    I just wanted to let you guys know about this program that sells satellite/dish service.

    Now, before you think "oh thats lame, they dont work", well, check out my earnings JUST for this month and I havent sold a single dish (i dont promote them)



    There are a couple of great things about this program...

    1. First off, it is 3 tier. Thats ahuge bonus.

    2. The offer is VERY enticing for your visitor! They get 4 receivers FREE! professional install FREE! FREE use of equipment and so on

    3.This company uses a toll free number BUT the way they do it it is a good thing! They REQUIRE an "extension number" (ive tested this!)

    4. This product can be promoted on or off the web AND you can build yourself a nice referral base (Im thinking of signing up apartment complexes under me!)

    5. They are very "newsletter friendly" for those of you that like that!

    6. They pay within 15 days after the end of the month.

    7. Their links are easy to use and their stats are pretty cool!

    8. It is $50 bucks per sale and $15 first tier and $10 second tier!

    Click here to check it out!

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    Permission or not, your post has a very spam-like odor and consistency.

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    Well, it isnt up to you to decide now is it??

    Spam?? Do you know the definition of spam?

    I neednt defend myself, I requested permission in advance.

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    Lauren,

    Is it a MLM thing or a tiered affiliate offering?

    Haiko

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    its a tiered affiliate program and as a matter of fact, they are also at cj BUT all i can say about that is it is run completely different over at CJ, thats why i run it directly thru them [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    [ 06-08-2002: Message edited by: knucklehead ]

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    Lauren,

    Ok Thanks<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>

    Haiko

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    since you brought up MLM, does anyone here know the actual difference between MLM and an affiliate program??

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    I found this pretty good definition:

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    What is it? Network Marketing, as it is called today, has been around since the 1950's. Network Marketing originally known as Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) is probably one of the most misunderstood concepts in America today.

    In Network Marketing, companies move products through a group of independent distributors who buy wholesale, sell retail, and sponsor other people to do the same. For your efforts, you can earn overrides on multi-levels of people in your organization.

    Often mistaken for pyramid schemes, which are illegal and move no products into the marketplace, Network Marketing allows average people to earn above average incomes. It is a fact that many people are earning a few hundred dollars a month, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars a month, or even earn in excess of a hundred thousand dollars or more.

    What's so attractive about this business is that there is no prejudice. Anybody over 18 can prosper and succeed. No color, race, gender, age, employment or educational background can stop you. All you have to do is be open-minded and follow the simple steps laid out by your company. You have unlimited earning potential.

    There is no ceiling. Simple, Fun, Money are three words that can be associated with the most powerful marketing method to distribute products in the 1990's and beyond. personal growth.., along with financial freedom are two of the things you can expect from Network Marketing.

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    "all i can say about that is it is run completely different over at CJ"

    Well, *I* can say a bit more.

    At CJ, it's $75/signup. But you don't get any money from tiers like if you go direct.

    Here's something which would affect both programs--the SE listings have proven to be very competitive! Almost every one of the ones in the categories I checked (things like "free satellite dish") seem to be promoting this particular place which makes it quite hard to differentiate. IF you (or your 2-and 3-tiers) can get a decent listing you/they may do okay...but it's not easy to get that--a lot of people with SEO experience are onto this merchant!

    I haven't heard anything bad about the merchant itself, I just see that getting rank under their keys isn't going to be the easiest thing for a lot of people.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>getting rank under their keys isn't going to be the easiest thing for a lot of people<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    All of what leader says here is the gospel truth; I found the same SE competition while promoting similar services from Cognigen.

    Though this particular program does at least look like it may be a little easier to promote to friends, family, and co-workers.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leader:
    "all i can say about that is it is run completely different over at CJ"

    Well, *I* can say a bit more.

    At CJ, it's $75/signup. But you don't get any money from tiers like if you go direct.

    Here's something which would affect both programs--the SE listings have proven to be very competitive! Almost every one of the ones in the categories I checked (things like "free satellite dish") seem to be promoting this particular place which makes it quite hard to differentiate. IF you (or your 2-and 3-tiers) can get a decent listing you/they may do okay...but it's not easy to get that--a lot of people with SEO experience are onto this merchant!

    I haven't heard anything bad about the merchant itself, I just see that getting rank under their keys isn't going to be the easiest thing for a lot of people.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    *laughs* sounds like you spent a great deal of time on looking it over!

    some people have to resort to SE listings and some people have the traffic or newsletters already. have you seen the ratio of people that sign up for teh affiliate program when you show them the offer (to buy)?

    Amazing...

    Not something i want to miss out on, especilly since i know the reliability of cj (or lack of) and the fact that they dont give me my own page or anything (thru cj). When you are a direct affiliate you dont lose all the telephone sales and so on [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    much more lucrative in the long run (and heck, even in the short run)

    are you saying that you only go for SE listings for CJ merchants as well? why would this be different?

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    im not sure i understand what you guys are saying???

    are you guys saying that you dont have traffic/content &/or newsletters??

    im honestly not sure WHY someone would pick up a program if they have to pay for rankings!!??

    no, im not being sarcastic, it just doesnt make any sense! why would someone do that??!! :eek:

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    Knucklehead, to clear up some confusion, which I detect in your post:

    I was referring to SEs like Google (free), not PPC, paid ranking engines.

    Also, I only get "traffic" to particular products I am promoting. I don't have loiterers hanging around, nor do I encourage them. If someone isn't at my site to buy something I have, frankly, the chances are that they are up to no good.

    Ad pages ARE my "content" on sites intended to make me money. The other kind of content is a time-sink which I have found to be unlucrative, and about as rewarding as washing dishes.

    As for paying for rankings, it worked quite well before OverSure took the pallet-full of stupid pills (raised min. bids and made getting in way too hard) and the reason "WHY" is simple: 100 2c bids = $2.00 One sale = $20.00 commission (with a good merchant), which is 10x the investment. The stock market couldn't touch it at the market's height! And there WAS no having to mess with non-ad content, newsletters, or other time-eating stuff of that nature, before OverSURE forgot that it's a PAID engine!

    But like I said, I was actually referring to FREE SEs when I mentioned the difficulty in getting a decent rank for this offer. On the paid inculsion (not paid rank) side, Inktomi is also highly competitive for this place's key terms. I didn't check the PPC bid prices.

    "have you seen the ratio of people that sign up for teh affiliate program when you show them the offer (to buy)?"

    Well, no-- I did sign up when they came to CJ a few months ago (which is how I know so much about this program) but no results yet, probably because the listing is buried waayyy down there. And since I did sign up through CJ, I won't know how many sign up directly for the program.

    I have to say that I'd rather have them buy the dish than sign up for the program. If I was in their direct program and somebody signed up under me, and THEN got their dish, I'd get $15. But if I sell the dish itself, through CJ, that's $75! I'll take the $75. There would have to be 5 2nd-tier sales, to make the same as just ONE direct sale. Since I would either have to promote the program (to get 2-tiers) or the dish (to get direct sales) to make anything...I'd rather promote the dish and take the Seventy-Fives.

    As for people signing up for the aff. program after they see the offer to buy--I would think that the audience would greatly influence that. I would expect that general consumers would be a lot less likely to do it than certain audiences...

    "the fact that they dont give me my own page or anything (thru cj)"

    Actually that part would count as a benefit to me. The last thing I want is an un-rankable mirror page, or a site that I can't make unique in terms of the sales pitch/looks!

    As for WHO would sign up for that program when they were using search engine traffic, a search on Google of the term Free Satellite Dish turned up 168,000 competing pages. Satellite Dish (without the Free) brings in 283,000 competing pages. So I'd say "a heck of a lot of people" is the proper answer to that!

    "are you saying that you only go for SE listings for CJ merchants as well? why would this be different?"

    #1: SE listings are the main source of customers, yes. There is a bit of other online advertising as well... but the "get loiterers ("traffic") and then try to sell them something" model is not it. I do the "get product people already want, and then stick it in the face of those who already want it" method. It's much more efficient!

    #2: This ISN'T different from the above, in theory. In practice, SE listings (Free and paid) in a category are usually divided amongst many different merchants and affiliates, each promoting slightly different things. This lowers the amount of "effective competition" and makes it easier to say that my item/merchant is Unique in some way or another.

    But THIS category is cram-packed with sites promoting this exact place and their offer. Since it's the same merchant, the offer to customers is the same. So almost every listing (if not EVERY listing) goes to a site that's DIRECTLY competing. This makes promotion much more difficult since there is no way to claim any Uniqueness when there are pages and pages of Same looking at the searcher. This makes a high ranking even more important than usual, since the searcher is only going to see More of the Same by going further.

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    >>"get product people already want, and then stick it in the face of those who already want it"<<

    Which makes merchants who beg for "prominent space on your front page" sooooo cute.

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    Lauren,

    Thanks for the link - I signed up under you.

    I will be sending my link out to the 70,000 USA list folk on my list. Hopefully we will both make some good $$$.

    Also, I will get us four referral affiliates who have a combined list of over 500,000
    opt-in people.

    Considering there are 5,000 new people per month moving into the Las Vegas area, I'm going to market the thing locally. It shouldn't be too hard to get all the local cell phone type stores to sign up as affiliates (since it's FREE) and sell this package face to face in their stores.

    If we can get our referral affiliates to sell just one deal a day locally - I make $450 per month and you make $300. We get 3 sales per day and we get a FREE house payment. Works for me.

    Basically, you have to be a total moron not to sign up for this deal.

    You make up a flyer about the deal and then go to the local Chamber of Commerce or retail businesses and sign them up, give them the flyer to pass out to all the people in the local area.

    A couple of days work and you make get a check every 2 weeks from the efforts of say 100 retail shops passing out flyers to their customers.

    And just wait to see how many referral affiliates we get when I do my big internet opportunity seminar in July here in Vegas.

    Is there a better premium for Real Estate sales people to give the people they sell houses to - a cheapo flyer with their link so the people can get satellite TV at a huge discount.

    It just goes to show you how stupid and ignorant about marketing most people really are - oh we can't get into the search engine, heaven forbid. Who gives a sh*t.

    Once again...thanks Lauren. I am more than happy to make you alot of money for the info on this program.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leader:
    [QB] I did sign up when they came to CJ a few months ago (which is how I know so much about this program) but no results yet, probably because the listing is buried waayyy down there. And since I did sign up through CJ, I won't know how many sign up directly for the program.

    There would have to be 5 2nd-tier sales, to make the same as just ONE direct sale. Since I would either have to promote the program (to get 2-tiers) or the dish (to get direct sales) to make anything...I'd rather promote the dish and take the Seventy-Fives.

    The last thing I want is an un-rankable mirror page, or a site that I can't make unique in terms of the sales pitch/looks!

    QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    so, i guess this means you wont be joining under me?? lol

    actually, it is a 3 tier program and i know what my results have been so far and im happy. to each his own. this is certainly a program that takes some work and some people like totake teh easy way out!

    as far as the useless mirror pages, im thinking a link on your site is a link on your site whether it is a link to cj or your useless mirror page [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    most of the people that i know and have recruited are heavy on newsletters and could care less about SEs!

    just about every category of site i have has tons of competing SE ranked sites, but i certainly dont let that scare me off [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    i have car sites (try getting top SE for that) and web design sites (impossible to get an SE for that) but it certainly hasnt put me out of business.

    personally, id rather have the $50 1st tier (paid net 15 with instant stats) and the ability to sell by phone or face to face, along with the $15 second tier as well as the $10 3rd tier.

    i know ya'll like busting my chops, but hey, money talks and well, everyone else just likes to talk about it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    ive brought in almost 1K for this program just since the first of the month. you say your cj link has made you how much????

    nuff said!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:
    Lauren,

    Thanks for the link - I signed up under you.

    I will be sending my link out to the 70,000 USA list folk on my list. Hopefully we will both make some good $$$.

    Also, I will get us four referral affiliates who have a combined list of over 500,000
    opt-in people.

    Considering there are 5,000 new people per month moving into the Las Vegas area, I'm going to market the thing locally. It shouldn't be too hard to get all the local cell phone type stores to sign up as affiliates (since it's FREE) and sell this package face to face in their stores.

    If we can get our referral affiliates to sell just one deal a day locally - I make $450 per month and you make $300. We get 3 sales per day and we get a FREE house payment. Works for me.

    Basically, you have to be a total moron not to sign up for this deal.

    You make up a flyer about the deal and then go to the local Chamber of Commerce or retail businesses and sign them up, give them the flyer to pass out to all the people in the local area.

    A couple of days work and you make get a check every 2 weeks from the efforts of say 100 retail shops passing out flyers to their customers.

    And just wait to see how many referral affiliates we get when I do my big internet opportunity seminar in July here in Vegas.

    Is there a better premium for Real Estate sales people to give the people they sell houses to - a cheapo flyer with their link so the people can get satellite TV at a huge discount.

    It just goes to show you how stupid and ignorant about marketing most people really are - oh we can't get into the search engine, heaven forbid. Who gives a sh*t.

    Once again...thanks Lauren. I am more than happy to make you alot of money for the info on this program.
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    hey, contact them, they already have really nice brochures made up. in fact they automatically sent them to my biggest referral after they saw he meant business!

    yes, this could be a boon for the mom and pop video stores too! they give something away and make 50 bucks!! and they dontHAVE to have a website or be a CJ affiliate!

    apartment complexes, real estate agents, etc!

    heck ive already talked to courtesy pontiac and they said they will offer them as promos for a test drive! And it doesnt cost them a dime to do it. They used to do cell phone promos, but now everyone has one already!

    ya, i can see how that short term 75 bucks (when the tracking is working) from CJ can really benefit me! hardy har har! id ratherhave hundreds of people doing the work for me than be fretting over CJs EPCs and hey i cant get paids!

    i have big time legit list operators under me and if they think the 3 tier is preferred over the CJ method, id tend to believe them. no offense leader, but i have no clue how much you really make [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    well leader, good luck!! and frederick, you know im in vegas too, right? (for the moment!)

    id say "show me the money" but thats a bit cliche!

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    and dont forget, they have a toll free number that requires your "extension number" so the sale doesnt have to be online [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    a lot of the people i would use, dont have websites so POOF! there ya go!

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    Hey FC, The Lakes and Summerlin is my territory! hahaha! JK

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    Lauren,

    If all goes well, we will have three affiliates in the fold by tonight or tomorrow.

    One has over 77,000 in their list, one has over 100K and one has over 1.5 million.

    Here's the email I told them to send

    "Get FREE Satellite TV. Here's How.

    Click on over to VMC Satellite TV and sign up for their new "killer" offer.

    Then join their affiliate program for FREE and tell others about it.
    Promote the program in FREE classifieds offline and online.

    Once you join, make a flyer about the program and pass it out. Also go refer a couple of local businesses to become afiliates and give them the flyer to pass out to their customers.

    You should easily make enough to pay your monthly Satellite TV subscription and alot more if you do this program.

    This deal is a killer money maker. Do it. Here's the link:"

    Hey Lauren - if this works like I think it will - lunch at the Claim Jumper is on me. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Tonight I will be working on a simple to follow 3 step marketing program for this deal and a News Release that will go to practically every pizza store, cell phone store, car dealers etc. in the U.S.

    Buy a Pizza an learn how to get FREE Satellite TV.

    I can easily get over 10,000 businesses passing out flyers for this deal by the end of summer. Let's see 10 flyers per day times 10,000 businesses times 30 days times 1% sales rate.

    3 million times 1% = 30,000 times $15. Gee how much is that? Well on a yearly basis it's only $5.4 million. You can easily make that on Cj if the tracking is working right?

    Gee, Lauren that's $3.6 million for you. You could make that on CJ selling catalog city crap for 5% right? NOT.

    And this doesn't count any third tier stuff, either.

    Duh let's all listen to Todd and the rest of fools who have never made more than $5 an hour until they go to be in online marketing and think they know what's up.

    It's not what you sell it's how many people you have selling it for you that eventually
    matters.

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    you forgot to mention that professional installation is FREE! 3 months of service is FREE! the dish/equipment is FREE! they get a FREE website! etc etc!

    claim jumper.... hmmmm, sounds rather fishy! hahaha

    how bout joes crab shack!

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    Lauren and Fred, good for you and have fun.

    Lauren, as for how much I make, it's enough that I don't have to worry about one offer that could do better with offline promotion.

    You asked why anyone would sign up for something where they needed SE traffic, which I answered.

    Now I have a question for you: Why on Earth would anyone sign up for something where they had to go person-to-person to sell it, when it's possible to have a traffic source that found you because YourSite came up when they typed the name of YourProduct???

    Why would you "put in the effort" to the degree required for offline sales, when you can just put up pages and forget them and still get paid???


    Fred, it's not "stupid and ignorant" to not sign up for an offer which probably wouldn't do well for me. I could just as easily say it's "stupid and ignorant" to not be able to sell something purely online, and get it tracked through a CJ link, to at least 1 in 100 viewers--to most of the programs you have claimed don't track or convert!

    ONline sales are where I do well and I'm sticking with it!!!

    But I've seen those salespeople who can just walk into places (stores, etc.) and get the place to sell their stuff...if you can do it, go for it. Still, there's nothing wrong with making money while playing games and typing on ABW--without pounding the pavement in between!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:

    Gee, Lauren that's $3.6 million for you. You could make that on CJ selling catalog city crap for 5% right? NOT.

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    catalogcity! hahahah that has to be CJs biggest joke! well, maybe one of the biggest! does anyone actually run catalog city links??? bwaa haaaahaaaa. oh well, if you can deicde who is cream and who is crap!

    i appreciate your enthusiasm, as i am the same way! i guess some people just dont realize that it is "survival of the fittest" haha, ooops! did i steal that from todd? hardy har har!

    hey though, in all seriousness, let me have the car dealers (in vegas). i know most of them and we dont really want to confuse any of those poor guys do we?? (besides, i think they like girls better!!)

    i think another thing is that the best way to promote the actual link itself is to buy its own domain name and redirect it directly to your affiliate page. that is for $10 it makes it easier to remember!

    why dont you email me!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leader:
    Why would you "put in the effort" to the degree required for offline sales, when you can just put up pages and forget them and still get paid???
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    ummm, i dont know... cuz im not lazy?

    because i can count on the fact that people like you wont put in the effort??

    because i dont have to go face to face, thats what my email is for??

    because i like to make money and have 2 kids to support??

    because i think the offer itself is a rgeat value for the customer??

    the better question is this...

    if you think it is soo sucky, why is it even on your site "buried away"??

    how many sales did you say you got???

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