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    Roi ??
    What ppc is best: content network or search for ROI ??

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    Though we tend to get a higher ROI on search ppc, we get a higher gross revenue from content search ppc. On our G campaigns we typically get twice the number of clicks on content search and a conversion % that is close to but not as high as search.

    For instance on a given day, $200 spent on a G search campaign may return $700 revenue, while the content clicks may have been $300 and returned $780. Years ago we used ONLY search bids, but learned over the years that content search on the right SE (G or MSN) is invaluable.
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    ROI depends on what you pay per click.
    Since you can bid them separately, you control the ROI.
    So, to me, your question is like...

    Do you ride the bus to school or do you take your lunch?

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    I was wating for that lol;

    guys thansk for the replys: needs a pep talk
    I have no issues making a little money with seo , but when it comes to ppc man just seems more thinking. You guys make money at PPC selling cj stuff ? Thats all i need to know ; i wont give UP lol

    the thing that catches me with it is that its instant. If you find that little gem you could dump in a grand for a week and get 200% return.

    if any one would like to share some secrets lol
    I own my hosting compay and will give you guys free hosting for your testing.

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    No problem Bill. Your question was ambiguous so I tried to answer what I thought you were trying to ask. Clicks, position, product demand, ad, landing page sales effectiveness all contribute to ROI - so pep up - get yer butt in gear and make some dough!!

    By the way - DO you take the bus? lol
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    lol got a car thinking of getting a second one

    Vonage seems hot right now for VOIP going to give it a shot on the PPC side.
    When factoring in cost i herd there could be a 30% click faurd any ideas on this one?

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    >Vonage seems hot right now for VOIP going to give it a shot on the PPC side.

    And so are the 200,000 Cognigen agents out there.

    Some people here tend to speak in generalities for a reason!

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    I'd say Vonage is a bad choice for a PPC starting point. I hate to say that because I don't have another idea for you, but Vonage has programs everywhere and adware popping on it from multiple places...it's a mess.

    Try toys or birthstone earrings or backpacking supplies or some other kind of product that you can compare prices on etc. to find the best merchant to promote.

    It is certainly your choice and if you are able to make a profit on Vonage while abiding by their rules...here's to ya

    Best of luck!! Let us know how it goes.

    PPC is popular among those of us who demand instant gratification


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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    I'd say Vonage is a bad choice for a PPC starting point.
    I totally agree with this assessment.

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    they have over a $150 epc : i can get some nice VOIP targeted traffic for .30 click
    should be able to get 75% return after click farud maby lol

    are you guys say the law of averages is diffrent for PPC?

    thanks for the input diffently will share for what I find.

    BIllk

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    Quote Originally Posted by billk89
    are you guys say the law of averages is diffrent for PPC?
    Nope, we said we'd guess this space isn't a good one.

    But we also say, that to really know, you have to try it to see for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billk89
    i can get some nice VOIP targeted traffic for .30 click
    This is where I'd say I suspect the assumption is wrong. If you can, bully for you! But I doubt this claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    PPC is popular among those of us who demand instant gratification
    YEs heheh do you have a nice storys to share.

    its nice to hear success storys

    some day i hope to get therer

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    Talking PPC Calculations
    Bilk,

    Consider this:
    You pay: $0.30/click x 100 clicks= $30 To get people to YOUR site.

    You said EPC is $150 (e.g. 3 sales I believe), this means THEIR conversion rate is 3% of people who actually go to their site.

    This means you'll need to get probably 20% of your landing page visitors to actually go to the Vonage site in order to break even. (e.g. 20%*100=20 visitors, 5x20=100 to get 3 clicks)

    What do the rest of you guys think, is this realistic? Is my math right?

    What is an average search-to-landingpage-to-merchantpage-to-sale conversion rate? As demonstrated above would be an overall 0.6% conversion to break even. So if you didn't get your first conversion by the time you've bought 165 clicks, do you try a different product, or what? What's normal?

    Thanks, hope this was a help,
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    Yea you guys were right .30 cents more like a buck or more for one click to get the Voip traffic unless you can find the hidden gems ,:: .30 mabay on the conetnet network , but i finde more click fraude going on becsaue of the adsence.

    and the conversion rate didnt even think of that .

    Now this is CJ EPC $150

    has anyone found a product and paid like $2 bucks bought 20 clicks with that secrect keyword that pays huge.

    and webpublsiher EPC would be $1000 EPC compared to cj 150

    to bad there wasnt info about EPC of a keyword
    I guess you could use oveture bid tool and try to get the math

    Guys tell me again you guys make money from ppc traffic off CJ

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    Almost every line of your post made me laugh! You're a total hoot!

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    Donuts I just did a quick log check on the server and looked up your IP and did a whois and geo trace to find where your coming from


    Guess what seems like your a bum and ccouldnt make a dollar at aff marking
    Also just seen you bought the Rich jerks booK LOLOLOL oh my

    these forums are soposed to help people : not to play name calling
    so if thats all you have to say S+F$u

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    Guess what seems like your a bum and ccouldnt make a dollar at aff marking
    Also just seen you bought the Rich jerks booK LOLOLOL oh my



    somehow I think Donuts is making more than a few man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billk89
    Donuts I just did a quick log check on the server and looked up your IP and did a whois and geo trace to find where your coming from


    Guess what seems like your a bum and ccouldnt make a dollar at aff marking
    Also just seen you bought the Rich jerks booK LOLOLOL oh my

    these forums are soposed to help people : not to play name calling
    so if thats all you have to say S+F$u
    Play nice. After just 9 posts Bill???? from nowhere gets his panties in a twist when the expert in PPCSE refuses to throw him a leg bone. Demands for a quick buck on PPCSE usually comes from someone wanting to wash stolen credit cards into quick cash.

    My PPCSE tip for the day. It's very unusual to get any content network click fraud if you choose only to display Adwords image Ad links in various sizes.
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    and the conversion rate didnt even think of that
    has anyone found a product and paid like $2 bucks bought 20 clicks with that secrect keyword that pays huge.

    and webpublsiher EPC would be $1000 EPC compared to cj 150
    Sorry, no offense meant. I thought you were being silly on purpose - my mistake.

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    billk89 - watch it... It seems Canadians are playing games with us over here this week and I am not in a tolerant mood... You have been given some great advice, take it or leave it, but rudeness isn't going to be tolerated.
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    You have successfully diverted an information stream that you could have used to irrigate your cyber crop. It is never a good idea to burn bridges, especially before you cross them. We all have tempers - some of us have learned to think past them.

    Donuts and many others have shared invaluable information here that is benefitting many, so your attack on a long time and very valued member of our forum who has EARNED respect here will not benefit you.

    Stick around long enough, bring value to the table, participate in the forum by contributing and sharing - and you will benefit greatly.

    Good Luck
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    Dounts sorry about that
    i was being a baby; I know you ment no harm.



    iv read some of your work a few weeks ago very good stuff to say the least.
    Your one of the best around.


    forgive me

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    We've both said sorry, this is now behind us for sure.

    Good luck ppc'ing and otherwise making comms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by billk89
    Dounts sorry about that
    i was being a baby; I know you ment no harm.

    iv read some of your work a few weeks ago very good stuff to say the least.
    Your one of the best around.

    forgive me

    Bill
    Well,

    Bill, since your post #10 was made after that rude #9 post and not later, I guess we can all forgive you, and see how you go from here.

    Remember, no body is perfect, we all make mistakes once in a while, but not until we recognize that we have made a mistake, that we can move foward in peace.

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