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    It was fun while it lasted...
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...wKkxA&refer=uk

    Sounds like online poker is about to die in a hurry...

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    Yup, in about 2 weeks when the bill is signed.... no money, no play. Unless they all use paypal or google pay....
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    taking our fun away. BAH
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    ABW Ambassador MoneyBusiness's Avatar
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    As much as I love the good ole' US of A, the government sure can annoy me sometimes. Kind of reminds me of the spoiled child that we all knew at one point or another - you know - the kind of kid who threatens to take a toy away (or does it in this case) if we don't "play right".

    Anyway, I'm really, really curious as to how they plan on enforcing this...

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    Yeah, no kiddin'. I almost gave it a shot (the affiliate side), but got busy with other projects. I bet there are many people making good money - and I'm kind of surprised that I've seen/heard no commotion regarding the bill.

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    Hope I start ranking a little better for backgammon...

    This administration is the biggest bunch of busy bodies since the days of prohibition, and I hope there is some major backlash. But then I have a lot of personal animosity thrown in as well.
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    Thanks for the link, Adam - lots of good comments. A couple that I definitely agree with.

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    So why doesn't the U.S. just legalize it so they can get their cut? I know a lot of U.S. gambling companies are ready to go with U.S. online gambling. I'm all for it, I love to gamble. I will say I do get annoyed at these kind of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    So why doesn't the U.S. just legalize it so they can get their cut? I know a lot of U.S. gambling companies are ready to go with U.S. online gambling. I'm all for it, I love to gamble. I will say I do get annoyed at these kind of things.
    2 words - religious right.
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    Wow. I bet once the poker players find out about this they are going to be really upset. The big poker companies have already said they are pulling out of the US market because of this law.

    I'm glad I don't market gambling sites. I feel sorry for the people that do.

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    ABW Ambassador MoneyBusiness's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    So why doesn't the U.S. just legalize it so they can get their cut? I know a lot of U.S. gambling companies are ready to go with U.S. online gambling. I'm all for it, I love to gamble. I will say I do get annoyed at these kind of things.

    Money, and an imbalance of focus on things that matter, and things that don't is the name of the game in the states. Let's focus our efforts and cash on killing poker/gambling, while we spend as little time as possible dealing with things that really matter.

    To tell you the honest truth, I wouldn't care too much if the government decided to regulate it (and of course profit from it). I might not like having to pay the taxes on my winnings, but it still wouldn't be much different than what's being done now for brick n' mortar casinos/poker rooms. The problem lies in the fact that they probably can't figure out how to regulate it...and so, in true temper-tantrum form, they just take it away, and forever banish it to the land of evil.

    What can you do...

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    Move to Costa Rica Maybe we'll get some open minded people in office in the future. Or maybe the casinos here can pay off somebody. A little encouragement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    So why doesn't the U.S. just legalize it so they can get their cut? I know a lot of U.S. gambling companies are ready to go with U.S. online gambling. I'm all for it, I love to gamble. I will say I do get annoyed at these kind of things.
    Because our country is temporarily being managed by someone who thinks he is God and knows what is best for you and everyone else. We are not smart enough to make our own decisions, we need some religious zealot idiot who can't even pronounce the word N-U-C-L-E-A-R to guide us in the right direction, else we wander astray
    This is why the US has become the laughing stock of the modern world. It would be like putting Mike & Charley in charge of CJ, LS and PFX.


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    I squeeked in a bet on the Dallas/Tennessee game yesterday. Now how am I supposed to make the NFL games with teams I don't care for interesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    It would be like putting Mike & Charley in charge of CJ, LS and PFX.
    I wouldn't mind that at all!

    Meanwhile, with everything else you said but we'll get if this thread starts digressing into a p*litical rant.
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    Holy "Crab"!

    Shares of PartyGaming Plc, Sportingbet Plc and 888 Holdings Plc plummeted, wiping out $7 billion of market value.
    That is a lot of $000

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    Well, that's one less domain to renew...

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    But how can they really stop it? My account to pay is through netteller. Paypal etc have long stopped allowing this, you have not been able to straight up use a credit card for 5 years. Netteller is outside the USA, and the only thing my bank account knows is , money comes and goes from netteller, but there can be a million legal reasons why this is happening.

    Oh! but at least we are safer from terrorists funding themselves from poker sites... I think I played a round with bin laden at party poker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chetf
    But how can they really stop it? My account to pay is through netteller. Paypal etc have long stopped allowing this, you have not been able to straight up use a credit card for 5 years. Netteller is outside the USA, and the only thing my bank account knows is , money comes and goes from netteller, but there can be a million legal reasons why this is happening.

    Oh! but at least we are safer from terrorists funding themselves from poker sites... I think I played a round with bin laden at party poker.

    Chet
    There are some discussions over at casinoaffiliateprograms.com about this very subject, but I strongly believe they can and will stop it. Several gaming sites and poker rooms have already closed US accounts (in some cases keeping player winnings/commissions), but I think more than that we'll see increased pressure on ISPs, search engines, etc to block access, more fear among affiliates and players and more international pressure on companies like Netteller.

    The government effectively shut down online Rx a couple years ago with a large number of raids on affiliate programs, including one I had been AM of. Two months ago they finally issued indictments, but they had seized accounts, servers and other hardware way back, effectively killing each of the programs they hit. All that, without any federal laws on the books. The indictments were finally issued based on the definition of the word "normal" in the state of Pennsylvania. A lot of people were hurt in all that, including affiliates and a large number got out - fast.

    In the case of gaming, they now have a law, so have a much bigger hammer to swing. I can only imagine most will get out - even faster.
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    I used to know a bookmaker who had a Federal Tax ID to report his winnings even though it was against the law in the state...or the other way around. It never made sense to me how someone would pay taxes on an 'illegal' activity but it was okay with the Feds.
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    Interesting read:

    http://www.pocketfives.com/68CBB9B1-...BFE1C37BC.aspx

    "The greatest danger here would seem to be with affiliates. Any American operator can be easily grabbed. This includes sites that donít directly take bets, but do refer visitors to gaming sites. If the affiliate is paid for those referrals by receiving a share of the money wagered or lost, it would not be difficult to charge the affiliate with violating this law, under the theory of aiding and abetting. Being a knowing accomplice and sharing in the proceeds of a crime make the aider and abettor guilty of the crime itself. The federal government could also charge the affiliate with conspiracy to violate this new Act."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyBusiness
    As much as I love the good ole' US of A, the government sure can annoy me sometimes. Kind of reminds me of the spoiled child that we all knew at one point or another - you know - the kind of kid who threatens to take a toy away (or does it in this case) if we don't "play right".

    Anyway, I'm really, really curious as to how they plan on enforcing this...
    Though I do not gamble online, I too am disturbed with this one because it is yet another example of nanny-ism.

    Undoubtedly, a major factor behind this new bill is that state and federal legislators want to cut off any source of gambling that they perceive as "competing" with the revenues states receive from brick and mortar licensed casinos.

    As for enforcement, they can easily cut off online gambling by requiring credit card companies to terminate merchant accounts for gambling operations. Once the law is signed, they now have a basis in law for forcing this upon the CC companies - and they will.
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    Yell at me if you want but I am glad it is closed down.

    Gambling really does hurt people. The whole purpose is to get their money and give virtually nothing in return.

    There are many vices and we all have some. But, this is very bad, especially on the under educated who have it hard enough already. And, the problem is that the ones most hurt by gambling aren't the ones doing it but the ones dependent on them, particularly children.

    The joy of the disporportiontly small number of winners is at the cost of the unhappiness of all the losers.

    Gambling is an evil thing. And, yes, they can always find another way. But, I am glad this one way will be gone. And, while we cannot legistate all evil away, we don't need to make it so darned easy, either.
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