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    Why would anyone still download this after reading those negative reviews of it?

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    That link does go to the "only negative reviews" screen...

    Further investigation reveals that there are 351 Negative reviews (at the time of this posting) and 668 Positive reviews.

    Although after reading some of the so-called "positive" reviews I would say that even they are pretty guarded in their praise and quite a few mention spyware as a minus!

    I guess (as one writer there put it) some people are just sick of spending $20 on a CD when they only like one song. But Kazaa sure sounds like a lousy alternative to me (from a user's perspective).

    Maybe the people downloading just don't read!!!

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    People are such lazy idiots when it comes to getting under the hood of these FREEBEEs. If you stood on a NY street corner and offered up FREE Aids virus samples ..you'd get 1 million takers. Notice the twisted minds at play on the publics ignornance. They are running these affiliate networks. They are posting merchant programs that are nothing but good sounding scamms. They develop P2P networks for thievery ..then infect the Freebee mindset with spywarez Adware and privacy stealing apps.

    Anyone willing to take a FREE chance on 3 card mollie games gets labeled the "sucker". Promote some FREEBEE and your just the shill for the scumbags.

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    Just to rub more salt in, my daughter was on our computer last night. When I went to check for email, just before bed, I found a nice new shiny icon - Yes I had been KaZaaed. One screaming fit later and an installation of Ad-aware sorted that out. However there was still the payload for all the third party software (leeches??!) that it comes with, so out with msconfig to remove the rest.

    She had no idea, knew nothing about the Benjamin virus or that there was a problem with me becoming a supernode. Damn Damn Damn!

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    I was doing some serious thinking last night about a legal approach to the entire parasiteware issue and how really to block / end it and think I have a real angle that even the courts and laypeople could understand ...

    The parasites are TRESSPASSING and unjustly being enriched by such encroachment on our cyber "real estate" (our sites) ... the vehicle they use to do this is the browser (lets call this vehicle a car) and the parasite sneaks in or even if they are blatantly introduced into the browser by the end user (lets call this someone sneaking onto your property either in the trunk or driving the vehicle). If we equate our sites to a farm that we were working and harvesting then the parasites would be like someone coming in the middle of the night to steal all our crops! So if real property (real estate) can be protected with tresspassing laws ... why can't our cyber real estate (websites) be also?


    Thoughts?

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    The analogies may be boofy but it is very easy to explain to a layperson.

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    I've been regarding it that way all along. Which is why all that crap about the end user 'consenting' to the download did not impress me overmuch.

    I'm the one who didn't consent.

    In the UK you can use violence to evict a trespasser. Heh. So all I'm waiting for is Blues to write software that re-configures the dupes computer to take power directly off the mains and send it through the keyboard. Combine it with a scumware detection script and 'Icicle's Buyer Re-Education Emporium' will be open for business.

    Trespass, criminal damage etc. Love it. People think computers are terribly difficult things to understand. But they understand trespass as it is 'real'.


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    I,

    I have also thought of it that way but never put reduced it to the rediculously simple so that even an Attorney General could understand it <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/nerd.gif>

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    My thought is your web page is a billboard. Internet users stop to read it and possibly buy from the number you have listed or follow the directions posted on the billboard to a store. These people are defacing our billboards, changing the numbers and directions for their gain. This is not legal as we are paying for the space.
    I believe affiliate revenue is classified as advertising revenue by the IRS.

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    Haiko,

    I think Tom Pyles first made the analogy of the crabbers in Maryland getting their crab pots raped to convey the point.

    And there are harsh laws protecting the crabbers too!!

    Dave

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    Haiko,

    >I have also thought of it that way but never put reduced it to the rediculously simple so that even an Attorney General could understand it.

    You could regard altering a web page without the owner's consent as 'vandalism'. In the UK, trespassing is a 'secondary offence' - that is is doesn't really become actionable until damage is done.

    Acting in concert, the scumware and the dupes conspire to damage your web property - and this wouldn't matter beyond copyright issues if we weren't suffering financially by it.

    But we are. Voters are. Doesn't the Witchefin... er, - Attorney General, *care* about law and order?

    Tell him or her that Muslims are behind it. That'll work.


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    In legal parlance it's called UNLAWFUL CONVERSION.

    It's about time you figured it out. Theony way it's going to stop is thru the courts and the legal system.

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    Im not sure if this makes any sense, but what about the 9/10ths of the law is that the site is mine and I dont' want to share it.

    or that they are surfing in on our customers, then they owe us PPC or rent?!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rewardme:
    Im not sure if this makes any sense, but what about the 9/10ths of the law is that the site is mine and I dont' want to share it.

    or that they are surfing in on our customers, then they owe us PPC or rent?!
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    The 9/10ths? ... as in possession? If so it is in your possession but with the browser and it's "enhancements" you lose it!

    Obviously, as an affiliate you want to share it ... for revenues .... but if you keep your stats (where your traffic came from) We might be able to preclude the Parasites from unjustly being enriched from it! .... I'm on something that people can identify with in NY and it will only be a matter of time till we get independents to see it also (eg. crab story)

    Haiko
    PS. I think we got something here - My initial responses from the NY AG was 1,000 times better than when I gave them the straight dope on Wurldmedia (when they were bad)

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    The reason I explained it using the crab analogy was any other way I explained it, I was looking at a blank face. They understood the crab analogy..made sense to them, and pi$$ed them off. Do what you have to do to make them understand...if you are in the Apple Pie capital of the world, explain it to your congressmen as somebody stealing apple pies from the window sill...Say it how they will understand it..in a way that has an effect on their lives. Of course, nothing got passed in this legislative session, however, I'm doing what I can to educate them. Then when the subject comes up down the road, they will have a better understanding and perhaps will get the urge to step forward. That 'something down the road' could be a lawsuit, perhaps legislation from another state, or the taking over of their own home computer when their daughter downloads Kazaa. I'm hoping t see some more of this in the media (just as the virus that was spread around).
    It isn't all about our commissions, as the normal user (IMO) could give a rats butt about it...however, telling them that their computer could be taken over, along with millions of others, on the whim of an executive...now that gets their attention.

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    Just think what would happen if each member of this forum linked to this URL with the word kazaa


    "http://download.com.com/3302-2166-10113972.html?ob=0&pn=1&fb=2"

    [ 06-22-2002: Message edited by: guest ]

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    I actually have reviewed the Limewire offering and have an active and very good dialog with them and sprucing up their offer so it is the cleanest P2P that also offers a shopping module. But I think that good 'ol gnutela is still the best to link to, if anyone was to do so.

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    That's basically the way I approached it with my AG's office. It was the first time they were hearing any of this and didn't even really understand about affiliate marketing. Your domain is your property. You pay to have it registered to you and pay the hosting fees. Legal precedence has already been set with regards to intellectual and copyright infringement cases. Those wouldn't hold if your web site was not your property.

    More than one violation happens with all the different types of spyware. Any third party that changes anything on my site in anyway (added popups, highlighted text links, etc) is destroying my private property. How quick would someone's butt be in jail if the folks from Kmart came and sprayed painted their store name all across the front of Wal-Mart? In the case of what Gator does I made the comparasion an insurance agent working in his office. Another agent from the same company stands right in his door way stopping potential clients and signing them up for a policy before they make it to the guy who owns the agency. That would never be tolerated in the real world. Then there's the basic issue of what Morpheus was doing and it's called grand larceny.

    What is interesting is that the AG's office wasn't too impressed by the fact they were changing their ways. In his mind, if they had stolen from anyone in the past it was still a criminal prosecutable action. It's like the burgular, who after getting caught, says but I'm not going to steal anymore. He is still accountable for what he did in the past up to the point of statue of limitations. And when he finally comprehended the amounts of money that are probably involved the interest grew even more. And then the whole issue of this Lexy foundation (which btw when you go to the domain they have registered for it, tries to do a sneak download of gator).

    Definite interest, but unfortunately an overworked AG office. Only one prosecutetor and 2 investigators for the whole state for cybercrimes. Most of their time is spent on child porn cases. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

    Hopefully a bit of good research handed to them on a silver platter will get them moving on things.

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    Oh, and they also recommended trying to get Bill O'Reilly interested in the story. LOL. Bait him with they are stealing from the little man to give to this "charity" which they own. Advice from the AG's office.....

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    And you all thought I was nuts...but the fact is:

    Morpheus, Kazaa, Scumware and all the ad networks are not only defrauding people in a variety of ways but they are GUILTY of criminal actions.

    End of story. It dosen't matter what they are going to do in the future.

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