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    Question Does Google Tag IP Addresses?
    I have a couple of sites with one host. Each site has an IP Address. I wonder if I put up another site if Google will tag it as an affiliate site? Does it associate IP Addresses like that? I mean it saw two other sites out of the same IP range as affiliate, so guilt by association? Or should I get another host? Thanks.

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    I wonder if I put up another site if Google will tag it as an affiliate site?
    If you mean being affiliated with each other (rather than involved in affiliate marketing), the IP number is recognized as associated with a domain that's indexed, but having more than one site on an IP number isn't necessarily a problem.

    How much will you be linking between the sites? And are they on the same topic, or is content duplicated?

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    no linking since I know Google has already tagged these sites as affiliate. don't want to mess up a new site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyWebAffiliate
    no linking since I know Google has already tagged these sites as affiliate. don't want to mess up a new site.
    I am not a computer guru and am not clear on this. How do I tell if Google has tagged any of my sites as an affiliate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Witzer
    I am not a computer guru and am not clear on this. How do I tell if Google has tagged any of my sites as an affiliate?
    PR disappears and indexed pages go supplimental and therefore don't generate traffic. I think Google tags specific sites, on even shared hosting IP accounts, as affiliate link heavy and won't index them for a year from the de-rank penality date. I have PR5 page 1 merchant and client brochureware type sites on a shared reseller hosting server. Only my own formally high PR5 affiliate pages and site get whacked and the "cache" shows April/May as the last GoogleBot troll dates.

    New content won't trigger a GoogleBot visit ever since I submitted a verified error-free Google .XML and .TXT sitemap file to that beta program. Pull the sitemap files does no good either as Google Bot ignors those sites once tagged for 1 year... period.
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    Thanks Mike

    So far, so good. I have not had this to happen.
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    So are you suggesting, Mike, that after a year or so Google will start putting you into their index or will they just wait a year and then re-evaluate you. The reason I ask is I have a couple of sites that are indexed in other search engines but not Google but now Google is 'botting' me at a high rate ... so should I expect Google indexing interest?

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    Only my own formally high PR5 affiliate pages and site get whacked and the "cache" shows April/May as the last GoogleBot troll dates.
    That's from duplication, cross-linking between domains,and how the meta tags and alt text are done. Sorry, but aside from duplication and linking, there's also too much keyword stuffing in the wrong places and redundant <head> tags as well.

    That all has nothing to do with IP numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micheck
    So are you suggesting, Mike, that after a year or so Google will start putting you into their index or will they just wait a year and then re-evaluate you. The reason I ask is I have a couple of sites that are indexed in other search engines but not Google but now Google is 'botting' me at a high rate ... so should I expect Google indexing interest?
    Regardless of all the Google alogo ups and downs Ecomcity's every page had a PR4 or PR5 and 2500 average unique visitors coming from Google daily. 3 days after experimenting with submitting a verified .XML sitemap to Goofle last April all kinds of strange things happened to my 384 pages of listings.

    Sure I setup a duplicate site when some affiliate greedy Adwhores I outed performed some dDos attacks to bring down the site. It stayed offline for 1 weeks and then some idiots used submittal tools and link farms to bomb Google with multiple submittals. Scrapped hundreds of pages and stole Google listings to their schemes thanks to thousands of BW posts. I then added duplicate content at www.get-in2.com and some original sections as a defense to server attacks. No problem for years... till sitemap submittal.

    Go do a site:www.ecomcity.com and check the dates on any supplimental cache pages ... all within days and NO Google bot since. Just a few pages with lots of legit incoming links have any PR. Every page is in Yahoo, MSN, and other engines. My take is Google tagged it as affiliate link heavy upon sitemap submittal and proceeded to dup penality both sites throwing both into never never land for the normal Google Bot for 1 year. I could put up porn pages and and buy PPCSE traffic and Google wouldn't even know they existed till the regular BOT, not the supplimental G-Bot, trolls the site. Some say it will take 1 year from getting into the supplimental blackhole regardless of any efforts.

    Bet 20,000 butthole members here are just loving it as they try the same schemes to undermine OUTING voices, critics and their so called competition. My take is without Google providing me the normal 80% of my traffic I can no longer pressure merchants about their lousy conversion ratios and non reporting issues. The Overstocks, TigerDirects ( 3 recent installed sales by me not reported) and others I showcase can just rape and pillage legit ABW affiliates to their hearts content. Let Haiko try to steer this ship as I can rightfully say not one penny of revenue has come my way from 16,000 posts stearing folks away from the icebergs.

    To answer your question micheck.... I have launched 9 new sites for clients in the last 7 months and every one is indexed fully and have PR and daily GoogleBot visits. No .XML sitemap file need or ever called for... Not one page written for the anyone but the targeted visitor.
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    oh noes! Change the secret hand-shake, mike is on to us!!

    Check mike's sites before listening to his deluded advice on this topic. His heavy use of non-indexed content, slow loading pages, javasript, dynamic banners, bizarre content, outdated coupons, dead end links, etc, etc, etc can't have anything to do with his poor performance, it is all secret agendas, cheating adwhore click mining horse drawn carriages and whatnot.

    I have affiliate sites and non-affiliate sites on the same ip, some pure affiliate, none "tagged" and surely not the ip. Some have dropped in ranking, some have gone up, that is how it goes. With shared hosting and so many ips, it would be tough to rely on the ip and most people don't buy into it. Mike buys into everything he can blame for his own site. So before you take his advice, read around.

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    BTW, here's a balanced assessment of using meta tags from Danny Sullivan - Mr. Clean himself.

    http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2167931

    There is no such thing as <meta title= > - regardless of how expert and/or clever someone thinks they are in putting it in with repetitive text, that is SPAMMING the search engines; and repeating what is in the "normal" page title element is even worse. Aside from duplication (which is being looked for to detect) - very simply stated - keyword stuffing html elements is flat out search engine spam.

    In addition, using long drawn out, keyword stuffed alt attributes/text in SPACER gifs is not only SPAM, it's all too 1998 - in addition to over-doing and keyword stuffing alt attributes in regular images. They're on to the tricks and what may have worked two years ago will NOT work any more.

    Like it or lump it - that's how it is, and if a site is "human" examined, they won't think any different. They're just getting a little bit better at spotting things algorithmically - not much better, but a bit better.

    Regardless of whatever justification or rationalization someone can come up with, sites/pages don't get filtered without a reason.

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    As Danny's 2002 article states the MetaTag header portion, other then the description part, is ignored by most all SE BOTS. Some still compare Metatag keywords to page content as a Bot Theme pointer. Title tag and the save page description in Frontpage also are content related pointers and basically just display for the web surfer's browser. Image tags also only guide visitors on mouse-overs as SE Bots ignor them. SE image BOTS do look at image name and associated info text if you take the time to change the default "image name" text.

    <H1 and H2> text is an important page context relivency tool only if the rest of the page content is keyword relivent. Therefore Danny's rule #1 is write for the page visitor ... not the SE Bot. Text coming before the Adwords Bot reading the first paragraph does determine displayed Ads. Filling in Meta tags are just a habit and stuffing them made them a non-enity in SERP & PR ranings.

    Basic rule is do a "Select All" under browser edit function and paste the results into a text editor (Notepad or wordpad) and view what the SE BOTs and visitors see. Your then determined to be thick or thin. None of my sites, nor the ones I make for clients are Thin.
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    Speaking about being tagged as an affiliate site, I read somewhere that the search engines consider an img src of 1x1 pix as spam and could be an obvious tag of being an affiliate site.

    Iím not sure if itís true or not, but if it is what about all those CJ and LS links that use it for tracking. Two questions come to mind.

    1) Do we have to keep the img src in those links?
    2) If we use those type of links, is it sure death in the serps?
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    I read somewhere that the search engines consider an img src of 1x1 pix as spam and could be an obvious tag of being an affiliate site.
    It could be an affiliate site, but there are so many other reasons for using little gifs that wouldn't do anythng unless there were other problems besides. Sure, if you use it to link stuffed with keywords in alt text, that's deceptive and it's spam.

    If we use those type of links, is it sure death in the serps?
    No.

    Go do a site:www.ecomcity.com and check the dates on any supplimental cache pages ... all within days and NO Google bot since. Just a few pages with lots of legit incoming links have any PR. Every page is in Yahoo, MSN, and other engines. My take is Google tagged it as affiliate link heavy upon sitemap submittal and proceeded to dup penality both sites throwing both into never never land for the normal Google Bot for 1 year.
    Google caught that they were mirror sites belonging to the same person, which regardless of the reason, is still in violation of their webmaster guidelines and will get penalized.

    Sure I setup a duplicate site
    The solution is to exclude one of them from indexing, mirror sites are against every search engine's spam guidelines, but some are better than others at detecting mirrors. And what worked or what someone got away with in the past doesn't necessarily get by forever.

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