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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    I smoke [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

    The new prices are now $7.50 a pack :eek: :eek: and Mayor Blumberg said today ... "If they can't quit lets make some money off them to help the city" ... what a load of crock!

    I think The Federal Gov't by allowing the sale of cigarettes pre-meditated murder --- Cigarettes kill, everyone [NOW] knows that but there aren't any Federal regulations regarding the sale of such a toxic and deadly drug ... this bothers me greatly. Big Tobacco, obviously, lobbies but WTF is the FDA? Aren't they supposed to regulate Foods and Drugs? Tobacco [Nicotine] is a Drug ... and a highly addictive one at that! Why doesn't the FDA FINALLY say that tobacco/cigarettes kill and as such finally BAN them! Is the almighty dollar enough to kiss the ethics and mission statement of the FDA goodbye? Or even worse, allow legislators like Blumberg get to make money off the addicts/victims for the state without offering services to the victims? This is absolutely outrageous to me ... first they [Feds then the states] allow the drug and then they make the sin tax to take the money off the people who have been subjugated to the blatant injustice in the first place. Why not just ban the sh!t and stop cognitively allowing the people to die! Make the SH!T illegal already!

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    PS. Blumberg also just killed our recycling program (about ten years old) since it costs to much ... Bring back Giuliani!

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    Haiko,

    They are now starting that crap here in Oklahoma in the restaurants. It p*sses me off that the government on one hand will stand and condemn cigarettes and smoking but on the other hand will come with their hand out collecting the cash like a mob enforcement goon to get their cut.

    Just like with prohibition in the 20's and 30's cigarettes will eventually go black market to such an extent that the government will be losing the tax revenue that they have enjoyed for so long that they will finally ban smoking and cigarettes altogether to stop the enterprise of tobacco. What they will find however is that people are going to smoke regardless. They have been since the dawn of time. Vices will always be with us.

    Excuse me while I light another one from a pack I bought for 3.00.

    Mike

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    I remember when a pack was 10 cents. That's how I was able to afford to start smoking at age 11<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon36.gif>

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    >>Is the almighty dollar enough to kiss the ethics and mission statement of the FDA goodbye?<<

    Sadly, yes. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    Here in NJ, when they reached $4 a pack, {I was a newport smoker} I changed to a generic. I went thru all there was til I found one I liked. $3 a pack now. We are expected here to hit $5-$6 soon.

    I want to quit, but have been smoking along time. I dont' think I can do it. Although I do not have an addicted personality, this is my only vice.

    Anyhow, I repect those that don't smoke. Wish I was one of them, {some day}, like when I am in a retaurant I take the non smoking section no matter who I m with {thinking it might help to not smoke for an hour} yeah right, I run out the door at least twice, but my point is I respect others that dont' smoke.

    I won't just light up in your car, unless I have asked or was told otherwise.

    I just wish that those that chose to smoke will just respect more then I believe some good can come from somthing.

    hmm..

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    Haiko, $10/pack here. And before anyone says "yeah, but that's in Canadian funds" remember I only make Canadian dollars!

    I know, it's supposed to make you quit, but after smoking for 25 years it's not that easy.

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    They won't make it illegal. The lawmakers know that if they snuff tobacco out, they'll have to spill their precious hootch as well.

    The Kennedys would all just die on the spot.

    I once asked my Uncle (a police officer) what's the difference between a dope dealer and a liquor distributor. His answer, though not an answer at all, was "booze is legal".

    Police reasoning at its best.

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    I thought it was bad in Maryland at $5.00 a pack. With Tom, he lives in virginia, but travels to Maryland. In Maryland $5 a pack, and in Virginia at $3.00 a pack. Get them on special in Virginia, which is frequent, 5 packs for $10 and some change. We need more gas stations in Virginia running those specials [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Parentsworld - At least the cigarettes up there are good quality. The best Tobacco in the world is grown in Virginia then exported to Canada and England. The chaff is left for us. Hell, if the stupid Americans will drink soda and eat fake white bread, why they'll smoke just about anything!

    If an American wants quality American tobacco, he (or she) must have it imported! :eek:

    There is progress though, some of us have discovered real coffee, and absolutely loathe Maxwell Mulch and all the rest of that stuff that comes in a can [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Deelz,

    The funny thing is that the processing methods used to turn wheat into flour for that fake white bread has been linked to lung cancer. Go figure.

    Mike

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    Actualy, it costs ya a lot more than $7.50 a pack....remember, you're gonna have to figure in all the medical expenses for chemo and such, lol. But on the upside, the MORE you smoke, the less it costs per pack, lol. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Ok I'm jealous. We don't have generic cigarettes and it's not legal to sell them at a reduced price. Nope, no matter where you buy them (in Alberta) or how many you buy it's $10 a pack...oh, plus 7% GST so it's actually 10.70

    Yeah, a few stores sell them a bit cheaper -- it's cheaper at the Safeway than at the 711 but the prices are all within 40 cents of eachother.

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    Haiko, I couldn't of said it better myself. You said what I have been saying for years. If a new drug came out that has the same effects that smoking does on a human body the FDA would shoot it right down. Big bucks is what its about. Think of the amnt of lost jobs and income if they ever banned smoking. More importantly thing of the lost taxes in NY and other places.

    The stupidest thing I have ever seen is that the government sues the tobacco company's and wins. They are the ones who allow then to be sold knowing what they do to people. The govenment is the one who should be sued. I've smoked for over 25 years now. I would love to see them become illegal. Of course those of us who have no will power would be paying 20.00 a pack on the black market if they were banned. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

    I pay 34.00 a carton on the Indian Reservation. What pisses me off is that they don't pay taxes but everytime the state raises taxes, they raise the prices too to stay just below the regular prices. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon9.gif>

    RewardMe,

    I smoke Newports! Just curious as to which brand you found that you like??? I've tried a few but keep going back to Newport.

    Elbow, lol. Too true!

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    I remember when I was 13, cigs were just .77 per pack. Back then we used to say stuff like, "If they ever cross 1.00 that's when we will quit."

    Well, it took me almost another 20 years to finally do it. When I stopped they were almost 4.00.

    I tried willpower and still smoked.

    I tried the gum & still smoked.

    I just got so damn tired of those stinkin smokes that I finally broke down and bought a box of patches for 30.00.

    It was comical at first.

    I would wake up, make my coffee, jump in the shower, get my cup o'joe and slap on a fresh 21 MG patch and just like that, ahhh instant nicotine.

    6 months later I finally weened myself from the patch and have been smoke free for nearly 18 months!

    At first, after the first few months I started to get back my sense of taste. WOW, what a diff! Then you start to be able to smell again. After that you begin to regain cardiovascular stamina. The rest is history.

    I no longer EVER have the urge to light up.
    (Thank you God!)

    I really believe that quitting smoking was the most important thing I have ever done for myself. It was also the hardest thing I have ever done. And from what I hear it is a harder drug to put down than most illicit substances on the streets today.

    It's a very tough fight for the first few weeks.

    Once you get past the first few months you are home free!


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    Breeze. Congratulations on quitting, and staying that way. I've tried everything also. I did best with the patch, but ended up going back :mad: One thing that stood out about the patch was the dreams I had at night. Vivid full color crazy dreams, as if I were in another world. When I woke up, I'd remember everything in the dream. It was pretty wild sometimes.

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    I just quit smoking on January 1st, a new years resolution, and I used the first round of patches for about two weeks, they helped a lot I would say, but for me it was mostly psycological I think, because when I was done with the patches after the first two weeks, I decided I didn't need em and have been smoke free ever since. You have to want to quit, although it would be real easy to smoke again, I never will. I smoked three packs a day for about ten years, so if I can do it, we all can. Everyone here can, once they set their mind to it.

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    A bit over $4.00/pk here in Mich. I can't wait to hop the border into Ohio or Indiana and STOCK UP!

    As for the FDA, the anti-smoking lobby has been pushing to give that agency the right to regulate cigs in the same way they do other drugs for a while but the cig lobby has quashed it so far. So that's why the FDA hasn't banned them yet...

    Personally I don't like the idea of making them illegal. It wouldn't get me to quit--it would just put a different kind of "nicotiana" into my garden!! Or in a greenhouse, since tobacco's a long-season plant.

    As for the idea of quitting, sure, sounds good--but the government forcing a sudden, huge nico-fit by banning them isn't my idea of a solution! The plants would grow until *I* was ready to hoe them under...

    As for Canadian cigarettes having quality, I have to disagree. Ecch... [img]tongue.gif[/img] Before any trip to Canada I make sure to stock up--here!
    But to each his/her own...

    I will say one thing--Haiko, you have just eliminated any desire on my part to travel to New York any time soon. And Mike, I'll remember what you said about Oklahoma...

    QuietRiot, thanks for that link.

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    There seems to be an awfully large % of us here that are smokers (I'm actually one of the non-smokers).

    Is this one of the hazards of our occupation?

    A poll of the % of smokers would be interesting here. I wonder if it would show higher than normal for us in the "sit at home on the computer" industry?

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    I used to smoke, then I met my wife!!!!

    She didnÂ’t smoke at the time, but because I did, she tried it. I just couldnÂ’t let her start, so I decided to quit that day. I put down the packet and I havenÂ’t smoked since and it has never bothered me.

    She was the one who found it tough to quit. I used to go and smell her at random times of the day (hmmm) so she couldnÂ’t cheat.

    Maybe it was just having the correct motivation for me.

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    Lexington, Kentucky-----$11.56 a carton generics at the discount cigarette store.

    Worth a visit to our fine state.

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    Let me calculate some, 1 pack of [20pieces] your big-bro-red-boxed-cig.[Mar..hehe] is here 2million liras :eek: and it equals to $1.82, Uh it's kinda cheap :rolleyes: after seeing $7.50/pack. there are also some other brands for $0.92/pack. it could be a cig. heaven here for Americans. But as for me I dont smoke and I am really happy about that [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Smoking makes me cough and that's the only exercise I get. Plus....

    God hates a quitter.

    lol

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    Found this site www.smokeaway.tv

    I haven't tried it, but saw it on the websponsors "offers" list.

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