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    Food for thought...

    Yahoo News Story - <A HREF="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20020627/tc_zd/940104&printer=1" TARGET=_blank>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/zd/20020627/tc_zd/940104&printer=1[/URL]</A>

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    Grrrrrrrreat!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    That's what was needed - major companies finally getting ticked off about them.

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    Yesssss!!!!!!

    But, if they win will we all have to individually sue them as well? Or send a cease and desist letter or what?

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    Down with Gator ..use roboform.com faster with no Adwarez.

    Love the way they summ up parasiteware:
    "Redwood City, Calif.-based Gator is "essentially a parasite on the Web that free rides on the hard work and the investments of plaintiffs and other Web site owners," according to the filing. "In short, Gator sells advertising space on the plaintiffs' Web sites without (their) authorization and pockets the profits from such sales."

    Gator develops software that manages passwords and fills out forms for about 10 million Web surfers, who often download the application unwittingly through other popular file-sharing programs. Also bundled in Gator's software is a program called OfferCompanion, which monitors Web surfing behavior and delivers targeted pop-up ads to viewers. For example, a Web surfer may see an advertisement for Ford Motor--delivered by Gator--while visiting Toyota.com."

    Ethics in business is a real hot subject and whoever thinks retailers/etailers are exempt in this day of Worldcoms and Enrons is mistaken.

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    Anyone have the url for the actual compliant used in the Gator suit?

    It should be online somewhere. What we need is the exact court of jurisdiction.

    Copy the complaint and have your legal beagle
    amend it to your specifics and do the same thing.

    The end is in site for the whole bunch - parasites and the ad networks.

    I know the guys at the Wall Street Journal - their legal beagles take NO PRISONERS and their theme song is the D'quello.

    The war is not against the some frito banditos in Afganland but right here against the real terrorists - adnetworks, parasiteware and rogue corporations who cook the books and steal from everyone.

    Can't wait to see Meeser in a Rikers jumpsuit.

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    What to look for in the early stages of this litigation is whether the court will grant the plaintiffs a preliminary injunction. If the court denies the publishers this relief, it'll be a strong indication that the court feels that their case is weak and that permanent relief will probably not be granted.

    I rather suspect that Gator will not want to see this case go much further in the courts and will seek some kind of confidential settlement with the Post, NY Times, etc. whereby it refrains from running ad overlays on their sites. That way they can remain free to use everyone else's websites as a platform to continue its parasitic marketing.

    Hopefully, the publishers will opt for protection through the courts and not by way of settlement.

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    Fabulous [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] I'd always suspected that a really big publisher would eventually take legal action.. hopefully they'll be sued out of existence.

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    I think the publishers see the value in seeing this one through so they can take on the next one, at least i hope so. I suggest everyone write the editors of these papers and thank them and ask them to see it through to help all of us little guys.

    Chet

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    Maybe we could have a Parasiteware page with contact details so we can send the "Way To Go!" messages [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Here's a start:

    The "Contact Us" page for the Washington Post:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1 3301-2000Mar5.html

    The "Contact Us" page for the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/help/in foservdirectory.html

    [ 06-28-2002: Message edited by: buckworks.com ]

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    Outstanding! I have just sent letters to the WP and NYT. Thanks for providing the info. btw here is the email for Martin Nisenholtz, the CEO of New York Times Digital: nytdceo@nytimes.com

    Keep the ball rolling!

    FM

    [ 06-28-2002: Message edited by: buy_online ]

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    the end is in site? seems like wishful thinking to me.

    Props to L.L. Bean and others for going after them.

    And I intend to flame target.com for supporting Gator. I encourage y'all to do likewise.

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    So the fools at Gator are going counter sue.

    Of course they are. They can sue and then send a zillion pop ups about how the big boys are picking them.

    Break out the violins.

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    The Gator will suffer the most when the former merchant Advertiser explains how they were able to kite sales from competitors and felt guilty about the impropriety. Then comes the prior history of abusive Ad overlays and the sorry state of other parasites/scumwarez.

    "The Redwood City, Calif.-based firm came under fire last year for selling pop-up ads in its browser-add on -- ads that appear unauthorized on Web publishers' sites. Despite attempts at reconciliation, that months-long debate reached a head earlier this week with a number of Web publishers filing suit in a U.S. court in Virginia, seeking remuneration in the form of all of Gator's profits. "

    Love the part of ALL OF GATOR'S PROFITS. That really has to have them quaking. Those merchants who constently appear at Gator -ShopNow- Morpheus might also be subject to penalities for knowlingly participating in the thievery. DDestruction to all the parasites and scumlord Duperaffiliates.

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    Mike,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Those merchants who constently appear at Gator -ShopNow- Morpheus might also be subject to penalities for knowlingly participating in the thievery. DDestruction to all the parasites and scumlord Duperaffiliates.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I agree 100%. They should also be sued. It's no different than someone being arrested for buying stolen property. They all steal from our sites. Hopefully someone will take on some of the merchants in a similar lawsuit. Maybe that will wake up all the other merchants.

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    I would hope that the publishers can convince the court that should the legal system give its blessing to the Gators of the world, then the internet as a useful tool for news reporting and expansion of commerce will come to an end.

    The next logical step will be to see porn, hate sites and the like defacing every website, including those of the major news outlets. Forget kid-safe!

    In short, as matters stand, the NY Times cannot control what appears on its website the way it enjoys complete control over what appears in its newspaper. Why shouldn't it have an identical level of control over its website? I hope the publishers' lawyers are on their toes.

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    another story on the legal stuff:
    http://computerworld.com/managementt...,72343,00.html

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    Sounds great! It's nice to see some deep-pocketed places have decided to join the fray on our side!!!

    "Can't wait to see Meeser in a Rikers jumpsuit.~Fred"

    That sounds good too. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Sure would be nice if the court case shows Gator and their ilk feed over 200 million e-mail addresses through their desktop plugin to spammers. Every transaction taking place by the hijacker networks gets privacy information filtered and sent to the spamm list brokers and e-mail marketers. UUUUGGGGHHH. Thank God WorldCom/UUnet/Verio are going bankrupt as they account for hosting and sending 50% of all spamms worldwide.
    http://www.cluelessmailers.org/ for some real insight into "superaffiliates" and spamm

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