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    Would you pay for monthly access to software?
    Not sure how many of you guys have monthly services like wordtracker or other stuff, but would you consider paying the same fee around 50$ a month for a service that would simplify your online marketing and sales efforts?

    The "service" would be access to software that essentially learns what is and isn't good for your bottom line based on your specific circumstances.

    There is, to my knowledge, nothing available even closely aproximating this service and the very very few that are in the same ballpark are in the 1500-2000$ range and are not suited for online marketing/sales purposes.


    Would you guys consider it? maybe with a free trial and good reccomendations from beta testers.

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    i would be intrested sounds good and intresting

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    Hi Karomesis

    It all depends on the value add of the software and what problems it is addressing or simplifying. I think for many of us, both merchants and affiliates the biggest problem is lack of time/resources.
    Can you tell us more about what aspects of online marketing efforts would it help with? Is it like Omniture, DART, GoldenCAN or none of those?

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    $50/mo = $600/yr. It'd have to be damned good.

    The "service" would be access to software that essentially learns what is and isn't good for your bottom line based on your specific circumstances.
    Whether I'd even consider it would depend on the specifics of just what it's supposed to measure and how it's supposed to help.

    Ease of use is another big issue. Some software claims to offer tons of features, but then make it so complicated that only its own creator and a few of his friends could hope to get the full good of it. You would need to remember that anyone seeing it for the first time is a NEWB to that software, and offer appropriate support.

    Remember that things in the GUI that make "instinctive" sense to you may only make sense because you've been looking at it 20 hours/day for months. To others it may make about as much sense as the cockpit of a 747 does to a nonpilot.
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    complicated! Yeah agree with that!

    Sometimes I have trouble learning, by the time I learn I already wasted 3month on that software..

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    $50/mo = $600/yr. It'd have to be damned good.
    It learns as you go along. If it could save you time with testing as well as money would you consider it worth it?


    Ease of use is another big issue. Some software claims to offer tons of features, but then make it so complicated that only its own creator and a few of his friends could hope to get the full good of it. You would need to remember that anyone seeing it for the first time is a NEWB to that software, and offer appropriate support.
    since I have the technical proficiency of a rhesus monkey, I completely understand where you're coming from. The answer is the software itself uses math like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference ,which hurts my brain to even look at, but will be quite simple to use and not in a dumbed down way, it will get right to the point and will be easier to use than alot of supposed noob freindly software.

    Can you tell us more about what aspects of online marketing efforts would it help with? Is it like Omniture, DART, GoldenCAN or none of those?
    not really, except for the fact that it will save you time and simplify your tasks like those do.
    Instead of saying, i'll try this or that kindof poking around in the dark, this will be a torch to guide your way. And help you to see paths you otherwise would've missed in your day to day decisions.
    The software will assist in gathering as much data as possible to determine the probability of specific outcomes, think of it kindof like multi-variate testing only about 10X better, way, way easier to use, and it learns as it goes along.

    It's not going to do the work for you, but in the right hands, it will be an incredibly efficient tool to help simplify your desicions and save you time and money.

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    This is all pretty vaugue, but it sounds kind of interesting. Will it be useful for merchants too?

    Too help us out, could you give a concrete example (run us some numbers or something). Hopefully that would enlighten us without giving too much away.

    From what you've said so far, it would have to save a lot of time to be worth it. Or, if it makes people more money, it has to be easy to understand from the outset so people can understand how exactly this all will work.
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    Will it be useful for merchants too?
    yes. Anybody who needs to test different parts of marketing campaigns, landing pages, what times consumers are more likely to buy.

    Too help us out, could you give a concrete example (run us some numbers or something). Hopefully that would enlighten us without giving too much away.
    Are you familiar with split testing and multi-variate testing? It's kindof like those only more sophisticated and easier to use. You put in the data like landing page color or sales and each time the action or change is made to the site/product, the software then learns which was the optimum method and the process continues, kindof like evolution.

    If you have a product like learning software, certain colors or page lenghts could be optimum for your purchasers, the only way of figuring this out is through laborious testing, over and over again. The software essentially let's you have a better idea of what you're doing right and what could be fixed based on each time the action is taken. Instead of waiting weeks or months for an optimized site or product, it could be optimized in days or weeks instead.

    concrete numbers are easily exaggerated, in much the same way other companies might fudge the numbers. take a new comapany for example, they might experience 3 or even 4 digit growth for a couple of years, but it is extremely unlikely that wal mart would experience 300% growth...ever.

    The software might increase your ROI 500% or 5% depending on your size,industry,objectives and growth potential.

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    Definitely sounds interesting, though Google just came out with a multivariate testing platform that is free...
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    The "service" would be access to software that essentially learns what is and isn't good for your bottom line based on your specific circumstances.
    Sounds interesting indeed, but.........

    If it's something that would help me get my millions sooner, ok.

    If it's something that would try to tell me how to spend or invest my millions after I have earned my millions my way, then, no.

    I'm not Brewster*, so I would not waste $30 millions in 30 days in order to try to inherit $300 millions later. (or something similar.)

    *(Richard Pryor - 1985 movie - Brewster's Millions.)


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    software that essentially learns what is and isn't good for your bottom line based on your specific circumstances
    The problem I see with that is, that I don't think that even a professional psychic (if there is a real one anywhere), would be able to tell most of the people what is and isn't good for their bottom line based on their specific circumstances, and specially to the people that already know how to make their worse circumstances work in their favor.

    But maybe I am wrong.

    All I know is that most of the times, it takes money to make money, but sometimes with a good brain you would not need any capital to get there. It would only depend on how fast you want to get there, and if you have the initial capital to risk on the invesment of a fast track.

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    The problem I see with that is, that I don't think that even a professional psychic (if there is a real one anywhere), would be able to tell most of the people what is and isn't good for their bottom line based on their specific circumstances, and specially to the people that already know how to make their worse circumstances work in their favor.
    The software is essentially an adaptation of stuff used to test aircraft,weapons systems,weather and other extremely complex data some of which peoples lives depend on.

    casinos make untold millions becasue of a slight but yet perceptible advantage over the poor souls who go there and lose their shirt, if the advantage is just slightly tipped in favor of the player as in card counting rain man stuff, the casino can lose massive amounts of money quite rapidly.

    Those slight advantages is what the software will help to discover, it's much more than multivariate testing, it's a second primitive mind to help you where you might not have even realized you needed help. Machines can remember billions of numbers in perfect order every time, humans struggle with 9.
    they already predict the stock market better than any human, weather, and are helping as we speak to unfold the complex proteins that make up our bodies, marketing and sales data is almost childs play in comparison to these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karomesis
    Not sure how many of you guys have monthly services like wordtracker or other stuff, but would you consider paying the same fee around 50$ a month for a service that would simplify your online marketing and sales efforts?

    The "service" would be access to software that essentially learns what is and isn't good for your bottom line based on your specific circumstances.

    Would you guys consider it?
    My answer would be "no."
    My online efforts involve a creativity not yet matched by computers
    I also agree with Mr. Sal's opinion.

    Having said that, I still wish you the best of luck.
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    Those slight advantages is what the software will help to discover, it's much more than multivariate testing, it's a second primitive mind to help you where you might not have even realized you needed help.
    Sounds great and you almost had me pulling out the CC, but then I saw this:

    You put in the data like landing page color or sales and each time the action or change is made to the site/product, the software then learns which was the optimum method and the process continues, kind of like evolution.
    That sounds like I could put the same data into a spreadsheet, and then sort by conversion ratio, and just pick whatever wins.

    How's it going to find places I might not realize I need help, if all it has to go on is the elements I consciously noticed and entered into it?! Or even mis-enter into it, for instance if I think I've changed all instances of something on a page, but actually missed one or two?

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