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    U.S. warns about Canadian spy coins
    By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press WriterThu Jan 11, 4:16 AM ET



    Money talks, but can it also follow your movements?

    In a U.S. government warning high on the creepiness scale, the Defense Department cautioned its American contractors over what it described as a new espionage threat: Canadian coins with tiny radio frequency transmitters hidden inside.

    The government said the mysterious coins were found planted on U.S. contractors with classified security clearances on at least three separate occasions between October 2005 and January 2006 as the contractors traveled through Canada.

    Intelligence and technology experts said such transmitters, if they exist, could be used to surreptitiously track the movements of people carrying the spy coins.

    The U.S. report doesn't suggest who might be tracking American defense contractors or why. It also doesn't describe how the Pentagon discovered the ruse, how the transmitters might function or even which Canadian currency contained them.

    Further details were secret, according to the U.S. Defense Security Service, which issued the warning to the Pentagon's classified contractors. The government insists the incidents happened, and the risk was genuine.

    "What's in the report is true," said Martha Deutscher, a spokeswoman for the security service. "This is indeed a sanitized version, which leaves a lot of questions."

    Top suspects, according to outside experts: China, Russia or even France — all said to actively run espionage operations inside Canada with enough sophistication to produce such technology.

    The Canadian Security Intelligence Service said it knew nothing about the coins.

    "This issue has just come to our attention," CSIS spokeswoman Barbara Campion said. "At this point, we don't know of any basis for these claims." She said Canada's intelligence service works closely with its U.S. counterparts and will seek more information if necessary.

    Experts were astonished about the disclosure and the novel tracking technique, but they rejected suggestions Canada's government might be spying on American contractors. The intelligence services of the two countries are extraordinarily close and routinely share sensitive secrets.

    "It would seem unthinkable," said David Harris, former chief of strategic planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service. "I wouldn't expect to see any offensive operation against the Americans."

    Harris said likely candidates include foreign spies who targeted Americans abroad or businesses engaged in corporate espionage. "There are certainly a lot of mysterious aspects to this," Harris said.

    Experts said such tiny transmitters would almost certainly have limited range to communicate with sensors no more than a few feet away, such as ones hidden inside a doorway. The metal in the coins also could interfere with any signals emitted.

    "I'm not aware of any (transmitter) that would fit inside a coin and broadcast for kilometers," said Katherine Albrecht, an activist who believes such technology carries serious privacy risks. "Whoever did this obviously has access to some pretty advanced technology."

    Experts said hiding tracking technology inside coins is fraught with risks because the spy's target might inadvertently give away the coin or spend it buying coffee or a newspaper. They agreed, however, that a coin with a hidden tracking device might not arouse suspicion if it were discovered in a pocket or briefcase.

    "It wouldn't seem to be the best place to put something like that; you'd want to put it in something that wouldn't be left behind or spent," said Jeff Richelson, a researcher and author of books about the CIA and its gadgets. "It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense."



    Canada's largest coins include its $2 "Toonie," which is more than 1-inch across and thick enough to hide a tiny transmitter. The CIA has acknowledged its own spies have used hollow, U.S. silver-dollar coins to hide messages and film.

    The government's 29-page report was filled with other espionage warnings. It described unrelated hacker attacks, eavesdropping with miniature pen recorders and the case of a female foreign spy who seduced her American boyfriend to steal his computer passwords. In another case, a film processing company called the FBI after it developed pictures for a contractor that contained classified images of U.S. satellites and their blueprints. The photo was taken from an adjoining office window.





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    I'll never tell . . .

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    If we have to start worrying about our delightful neighbors to the north we are truly in trouble.

    How come Homeland Security hasn't issued an orange alert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    If we have to start worrying about our delightful neighbors to the north we are truly in trouble.

    How come Homeland Security hasn't issued an orange alert?
    the RID buried in one of your dogs' tags told them not to?

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    good grief, I turned down a Canadian quarter in my change at my bank yesterday . . . do you think---

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    Now that's hilarious! Why would someone wanting to track Americans use Canadian coins? Our coins are universaly reviled in the States. Speaking from my experiences with Americans when I visit the States, most are overly cautious to make sure that I don't try to pawn off our "inferior" Canadian coins on them. (Our pennies, nickels, dime and quarters are almost identical). It would be easier to just buy said person a (Canadian) beer, ask them about themselves and sit back and listen.

    This is a blatant anti-Canadian attack resulting from our decades old mind control program using strategicaly placed Canadian actors, writers and performers in the American capitalist entertainment industry. (Celine Dion was an early failed attempt in this plot - sorry - in fact, you'll find most of our failed first attempts are now working in Vegas).

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    Dave, I think you guys have been framed! (Now had they found Looneys in their pockets I'd suspect that you guys were really up to something funny.)

    And why shouldn't we retaliate by pawning off our Susan B. Anthony dollars on Canadians? I mean, fair's fair.

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    Perhaps old news to some, but I saw this on TV the other day.

    Tracking codes in color laser printers cracked
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9732896/

    At the Secret Service, which helps develop such technologies with other government agencies and industry, spokesman Eric Zahren said the tools are designed "simply to make it more difficult to utilize that equipment for the illegal activity of reproducing genuine U.S. currency."

    Someone always knows where you are and chips and gps in coins could be next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyBusiness
    They're all after you Herb...
    you'd be paranoid too if everyone was out to get you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianDave
    Now that's hilarious! Why would someone wanting to track Americans use Canadian coins? Our coins are universaly reviled in the States. Speaking from my experiences with Americans when I visit the States, most are overly cautious to make sure that I don't try to pawn off our "inferior" Canadian coins on them. (Our pennies, nickels, dime and quarters are almost identical). It would be easier to just buy said person a (Canadian) beer, ask them about themselves and sit back and listen.

    This is a blatant anti-Canadian attack resulting from our decades old mind control program using strategicaly placed Canadian actors, writers and performers in the American capitalist entertainment industry. (Celine Dion was an early failed attempt in this plot - sorry - in fact, you'll find most of our failed first attempts are now working in Vegas).

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    no, not inferior, just problematic in pay phones and laundromat machines here.

    Actually, I have a small sack of CF I'd love to take back to their native land and spend. And the value went up since I acquired them, too.

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    I got back from Canada a couple of months ago. All of my stash of Canadian coins are in a desk drawer because as said, home shops will not knowingly take them.

    I have also been curious about the black Chevy Tahoe that frequently parks down the street.
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    That's it. We're going to have to invade and conquer Canada now

    My guess is that we will find out there was someone from outside of Canada dispensing these to US gov't contractors. It really doesn't surprise me in this day and age, but I don't think Canada is spying on us.

    I can't wait to hear Mike (Ecomcity) respond

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    That's it. We're going to have to invade and conquer Canada now
    You already have - every summer you should see the batalions of charter buses rolling over our borders.

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    Top suspects, according to outside experts: China, Russia or even France — all said to actively run espionage operations inside Canada with enough sophistication to produce such technology.
    Surely not France? oh my.

    BTW - we got one of those microchips implanted in our new puppy. Now she's always hanging around to see what I'm doing. Should I be worried? For sure if she starts stealing change...
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    Just because they're Canadian coins doesn't mean Canada's responsible for it.

    In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CIA... ;p
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    I guess it was only a matter of time before the government would learn from the casinos!

    The casinos have been putting these in gambling chips for about 3 years now, although it is only in a few of them. A big reason why I will not play at certain casino's, including one we stayed at in November!

    Still, why the canadiens would be giving them to americans simply escapes me! I can see some of the other countries. Geez, these friendly people across the river from us in Detroit have little to fear from us.

    Here is a link to an old article at CNET about the casino chips for those who are interested in seeing how casinos are wayyyy ahead of the government (no surprise there!) and why you may want to be careful what YOU are carrying in your pocket at the summit.

    http://news.com.com/Vegas+casino+bet...3-5568288.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by adambha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noth
    In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CIA... ;p
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    who the heck carries coins anymore

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    Some of us use meters and public transportation.

    I feel so urban!
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    The metal in the coins also could interfere with any signals emitted.
    I was going to say that!

    Because unless the coins were made with some kind of polymer, and painted with a look a like plastic metal color, there is no way for a transmitter to be incased on a real metal coin, and be able to transmit any useful signal at any frequency.

    While you can indeed hide a transmitter inside a 100% metal casing, that metal casing has to be a hell of a lot bigger than any regular coin in use today, because in order to get a long range working frequency, you will need a lot of space in there to accomodate all the electronics needed to transmit in microwave, gamma ray, sky wave, etc, etc.

    But, if you are not sure about your coins, just place all of your coins on a handkerchief, tune your radio to any (first AM, and then FM) vacant frequency, turn up the volume, and move the handkerchief with all the coins in a circular motion around the radio.

    If you hear any High-and-LOW tones coming from the radio Electro-acoustic transducer, you have being bugged, run to the near store, and buy something with those coins asap.




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