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  1. #1
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    Be aware of automaticbuilder com
    I have generated 7 sales, $32.50 in commission for each sale = $228
    I am using the link they provide and promote it in Google Adwords. (the have no PPC guide lines)
    All they do is VOID the sales because they say it is a repeat order, EVERY TIME!

    IMO, it is way too easy to be a fraudulent merchandiser in SAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webbot
    IMO, it is way too easy to be a fraudulent merchandiser in SAS.

    IMO you are very incorrect on that assumption.

    and before you make such a comment you should read all the reviews here on this board regarding SAS!

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    Crocket - and before you make such a comment you should read all the reviews here on this board regarding SAS!
    This has nothing to do with SAS but with the merchant.
    I don't know the problem, but webbot can be right.
    webbot, ask Shareasale to investigate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocket
    IMO you are very incorrect on that assumption.

    and before you make such a comment you should read all the reviews here on this board regarding SAS!
    well all you have to do is cancel the sale, no proof needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus
    This has nothing to do with SAS but with the merchant.
    I don't know the problem, but webbot can be right.
    webbot, ask Shareasale to investigate.
    I know it's not SAS fault.
    I spent over $70 to promote their site in Google Adwords, and all they do is VOID ALL the sales.
    so be aware....

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    As Zeus mentioned I'd ask SAS' customer service to start an investigation, and I'd also contact the merchant directly to see what happened. It's possible that they're cancelling sales maliciously, sure... but it's also possible there has been an entry error (human error) or that there is a tracking system problem with the merchant. If the merchant doesn't answer you by email in a timely manner, try finding a phone number and pressing the issue. With both SAS' and your own efforts, you'll get to the bottom of this. And let us know what you find out!

    There are fraudulent merchants all over the affiliate networks; if SAS has a few bad apples, that does not mean that SAS is any more "easy" to be fraudulent with than other networks. And if SAS finds out that one of their merchants is cheating their affiliates, they will take appropriate action. Or lots of us affiliates would kick Brian's butt (well, probably not literally) at conferences like the Affiliate Summit next week.

    Having said that, thanks for letting us know and please keep us posted on what happens. If the merchant is innocent of said fraud, we need to know that, too.

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    automaticbuilder com may not be such a clean company:
    http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/automaticbuilder.com
    You make ONE sale and they may consider the customer as theirs, and all the other sales are cancelled. They may also "spam" this customer and wash your cookie.

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    what vertical is the merchant in?

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    I'll say "work at home opportunities"
    "Our Target Market is the 100ís of millions of people looking to start a home business or team up with a solid pre-momentum Global Network Marketing Opportunity. Our affiliates are our lifeline and we take great joy in sending out big checks."
    "Fresh business opportunity data will see much higher conversions."
    Their home page don't tell us what they are "selling"
    It seems they collect emails.
    Automaticbuilder.com is an online home-based Network Marketing business that people can join and try FREE for 30 days.
    I've no idea of what is behind.

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    Maybe they're selling 6 packs of spam... and only paying on the first can!
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    Are you using Google Adwords and using the url to redirect directly to the merchant? If so, that is not allowed at Google. Be careful. You don't want to get kicked out of adwords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by porkchop
    Are you using Google Adwords and using the url to redirect directly to the merchant? If so, that is not allowed at Google. Be careful. You don't want to get kicked out of adwords.
    I am using the affiliate link:
    www XXXXXXX.com/r.cfm?B=XXXXXX=XXXXXX&M=XXX
    Then I use the merchants domain name as display URL.

    I have done that for a very long time in Adwords, 100+ ads running right now. All afffiliate links.

    It is very common to do that. Go to Google and search for example 'payday loans' and right click on all the ads and check 'properties' and you will see that there is affiliate links behind 20-30% of all the ads.

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    You may want to double check the merchant's affiliate agreement. Something in there may state why they would consider repeat orders to be duplicates, etc. They may also have PPC guidelines you are unaware of. The PPC Guidelines link on SaS only shows keyword specific info. General PPC policies can currently only be listed as part of the affiliate agreement.

    All that said, I wouldn't bother promoting a merchant that wasn't willing to pay for repeat business within the cookie period, especially if it's not clearly spelled out that they offer $X on the first order only. That just doesn't strike me as trustworthy. I mean where else is the relationship leaning towards one side...?
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