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    People turning away from Google?
    While at CES last week or was it 2 weeks ago, I'm still recovering from all the parties, dinners etc. (sorry loxly I did want to have brunch or something but schedules changed at the last minute and my free time turned into a meeting with Bill Gates and a lunch with Jim Allchin)

    Anyway during CES I attended a few dinners (Sometimes 4 dinners in 1 night)and at one dinner in particular the topic of search engines came up.

    Everyone said they loved Google but lately have been using Google less and less.

    When I asked why they were using Google less and less they all seemed to agree on the following.

    Google results aren't as relevant as they use to be
    And when they are relevant, the first 10 to 20 sites listed are trying to sell something instead of providing them with the information they are looking for.

    They also said they don't mind affiliate sites and heck they would even give them a sale if the info given to them was legitimate, but that more and more sites are poping up with what they called generic babble about products etc.

    How many of you see that as true? I for one have caught my self using Yahoo and Live Search more and more because I do find the Google results to be "BLAH"

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    Recent stats on SE usage just came out and Google went up again. So no, people aren't turning away from Google.


    Google Inc. (GOOG.O: Quote, Profile , Research) has increased its share of the U.S. Web search market to 47.4 percent with a gain of 0.4 percent during December, while No. 2 ranked Yahoo Inc. also edged higher, a survey said on Monday.

    Google has gained share in 16 of the last 17 months in the United States, the world's largest Internet market, according to comScore data.

    http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...3-Technology-6

    Just for fun, went to find another Google slipping, days are numbered type of thread from almost 2 years ago:

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=55046

    "Google - Yahoo - MSN - Big 3
    This time next year, year after that, for some time to come. They'll just go at each other like good competitors do, sometimes they may slip, they may change position but they're not going anywhere, not going to fall. Just like the Coke and Pepsi wars."
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    In my opinion Google's search results seem to be getting less and less relevant. Funny - but the relevancy of the paid ads seems to be noticeably higher. Hmmm...

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    I don't think I'm using any engine "less." Rather, if I don't find the right kind of results at the first stop, I go on to another one. Sometimes that means I get all the way to Gigablast before the journey ends, but usually it's not that bad.

    As for the supposed amount of sites indexed that are proper capitalists, I don't agree with their assessment.

    On Google, I'm more likely to find infernal c*ntent sites when I'm trying to shop, than the other way around! It seems like Wiki and the like infest every category (especially when I'm looking for something uncommon), even those categories where I wouldn't have expected there to be anything noncommercial to say...or at least, nothing noncommercial *worth bothering* to say. It's particularly aggravating to have 50 listings of articles in the way that all have the same information (despite them all being in their own words, they have the same points)!!

    Non-megacorp commercial sites are often especially hard to find. But if I'm on Google or any other SE, it's usually because the big sites didn't have what I was looking for, so I'm trying to find some little site that hasn't sold out.

    Other engines aren't so lopsided one way or the other, but they all seem to have their "favorite" sites, which may or may not be sites I find all that special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    ...my free time turned into a meeting with Bill Gates and a lunch with Jim Allchin...When I asked why they were using Google less and less
    First, I'll begin by admitting that I am personally a little anti-M$, but I am not coloring these comments with that personal bias.

    Anyway, I'm just wondering if the feedback you received wasn't, well, a little biased. If you're meeting with those two, I would be lead to believe that those you were associating with might lean in the direction of Microsoft products and services. Leaning toward Microsoft generally means *away* from Google.

    Just a thought...

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    Have to agree with TrustNo1, google is gaining ground, bit by bit.

    It depends on who is telling the story. If Bill Gates is saying that, i would take it with a pinch of salt cos he is a MSN / live.com person

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    Quote Originally Posted by adambha
    If you're meeting with those two, I would be lead to believe that those you were associating with might lean in the direction of Microsoft products and services. Leaning toward Microsoft generally means *away* from Google.
    I gotta' say, I agree with Bill. I was among Google's biggest fans back when they were at Stanford, before they bumped Inktomi out of Yahoo's backup results and well before they're meteoric public offering, and stuck with them through the years, but they've really dissapointed lately. More and more I find myself trying the other engines for searches that have frustrated me on Google.

    Their search results have lost a step, and it seems like this is mainly due to their efforts to clean the results (irony). They shift so fast and so broad that they catch out the little Mom and Pop sites with every update, and only the spammers, squatters and made for Adsense sites manage to stay in the index.

    From a business perspective, I can't think of any small tidbit of their technology that doesn't annoy me in some way - from security warnings on their help pages, to Google caused errors on my Adwords campaigns, to price fixing on my Adsense clicks, to broad match Adwords clicks from phrases not even vaguely related to any phrase I've bid on, to site targeted Adsense from unrelated advertisers, to not being able to log into Adwords without adding Google to my trusted sites because of some other bit of goofy code they've come up with, to...to... Grrrrr! They annoy me at every turn as a business partner! Though I do appreciate one recent customer service experience (it took a lot of work to get a resolution, but I was satisfied with the outcome).

    Rant aside, I still use Google first when it comes to search. I've just started using others more and more often in the last year or so after being unsatisfied with the results at Google.

    I won't praise MSN/MSN Live (I mean, how many freaking times do they really need to try to hijack my cursor before I type in a search?!?!), and Yahoo's 302 redirects on directory links is pretty annoying, but Google is slipping. I've even tried AV a few times lately to get away from Google.

    The kids may still be saying "I Googled you last night, and...!", but the door does seem open for another engine to step up to the plate. They may force me to become an Ask fan...
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    Quote Originally Posted by adambha
    First, I'll begin by admitting that I am personally a little anti-M$, but I am not coloring these comments with that personal bias.

    Anyway, I'm just wondering if the feedback you received wasn't, well, a little biased. If you're meeting with those two, I would be lead to believe that those you were associating with might lean in the direction of Microsoft products and services. Leaning toward Microsoft generally means *away* from Google.

    Just a thought...
    Actually the dinner where search engines came up was a dinner with Sony and Nyko at the VooDoo Cafe (must go to if you ever visit Vegas) no Microsoft employees around infact the dinner was during th Bill Gates Keynote. (Skipped out early)


    I personally always Google fist then head over to Yahoo, lately I have been tempted of switching my default search in FF and IE7 to Yahoo because I haven't been happy with Google.

    I also hve told Microsoft in various meetings that the Live Search results suck.

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    I still use google for my searchs but that will stop soon as I don't want to support a company that could make our industry obsolete in a few years as they continue on their quest to take over the World and that means the affiliate marketing & coupon industry too.
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    I've been searching yahoo first since early last year and often see better results. I search Google to double check on yahoo and search msn when really not sure. Google is not going away that quick agree as adsense and adwords still king, but like HardwareGeek says it's "the first 10 to 20 sites listed are trying to sell something instead of providing them with the information they are looking for".

    Problem is, will they still continue to compete with affiliates, they already do in many ways.

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    I'm with Leader. I will use multiple search engines looking around to find what is out there about whatever I am looking for. Even if my first results are relevant, I still want to see what is out there. And, when I'm on the user end of it, I don't care if it is a paid or organic result that gives me what I am looking for.

    But, I always start with Google. And in the American lexicon, you don't hear too many people saying "I "msn"ed your name yesterday" or I "Yahoo"ed something."

    Google is almost to the status of how people say they want a "coke" when they are asking for any type of soda product.

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    this may sound spammy, but I put together a site that actually shows the results of google vs yahoo vs. msn etc. in a side by side format (along w/ some metacrawlers for good measure - see the preferences to set up which you want to see). It is a decent way to gauge relevancy and I think actually shows pretty decent MSN results much of the time. It can also be handy for seeing what ads show up w/each for the same search -- betterwebsearch.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheri
    But, I always start with Google. And in the American lexicon, you don't hear too many people saying "I "msn"ed your name yesterday" or I "Yahoo"ed something."

    Google is almost to the status of how people say they want a "coke" when they are asking for any type of soda product.

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    Yes and that is the most worrying thing. They have closed that door on their competition which is fine but I hope they don't close doors for affiliates soon like this.
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    the backlink game is getting baked. since G weighs backlinks so heavily, and since those with financial interests (something to sell) will work hardest, fastest and smartest on backlinks, it's natural that after a period of time, those sites rise to the top.

    as an evolutionary element, the prime metrics must be ever-changing if algorithms can be trusted / used to rank true relevancy. gaming the system will ALWAYS ensue and ensure that the metric becomes contaminated.

    while it's true that we all collectively have chased backlinks, we're not the root cause - we're reacting to what must be done to get any audience. g has lost site of the natural ability that a site has to garner real inbound links - the links most sites have are so obviously NOT from natural occuring backlinks. you can spend a year RESEARCHING and writing real, updated content on a specfic subject and some cheese dick, scraper site with manipulated backlinks will smoke your seo positions. i'm not whining (I don't rely on seo to pay my bills), just stating what the system has become. i came across a listing recently, that i reported to g, where the #1 top listed site had a rippled background that made the entire site virtually unreadable by human beings - that's a serious problem for g, if they expect consumer's to believe the relevancy story.

    now, i agree with trust, g isn't losing share. to me, they're doing a sucky job, but it sucks just a hair less than what the others are doing. that's not winning via excellence, that's winning by default. when i've seen that happen in business before, i've always seen new competitors eventually arrive on the scene and kick the giants in the crouch. hope g's wearing a cup, cuz it's easy to see from everyday serps today that it will come eventually. someone will answer this question - what's a better way to measure than backlinks? - then the nut clanging will begin!

    example BAD search:
    best way to grow roses in florida
    http://www.google.com/search?q=best+...ses+in+florida

    #1 spot at G is a bunch of posts on how to prune a tea (where a tea is one specific type of rose i think - just guessing from context here, but can't know for sure) plant, it's not specific to florida, it doesn't talk about growing roses at all, just pruning. it's not a regionally specific answer. the reference in the article to florida is obtuse. the content is ill-organized. landing on this page from the outside, it's also easy to see the navigation is lacking - walking through this site further (in a hierarchy or other clear method) is far, far, FAR from obvious.
    http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...510688.html?23

    ps - by the way, i went to google and typed in the first thing that i could think of - i didn't have to dig to find crapola - very first thing i tried to find is off topic and irrelevant to what i'm looking for. it's not the worst thing they could display, but thinking it's the best result for that search is ludicrous. organize the worlds information huh, we'll see...

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    [QUOTE=Donuts]
    now, i agree with trust, g isn't losing share. to me, they're doing a sucky job, but it sucks just a hair less than what the others are doing. that's not winning via excellence, that's winning by default. when i've seen that happen in business before, i've always seen new competitors eventually arrive on the scene and kick the giants in the crouch. hope g's wearing a cup, cuz it's easy to see from everyday serps today that it will come eventually. someone will answer this question - what's a better way to measure than backlinks? - then the nut clanging will begin!


    I absolutely believe that DNuts! Ironically, while you were down the shore line yesterday looking for Redfish, Scooter and I were talking about G, what they are doing, the "indestructible" phase they think they are going through, and the need for a new player to come along and capture what G once was.

    Per our chatting on the Slush Puppie yesterday, no doubt G is still the 800 lb gorilla. But times change, and the patient will see that day. In the meantime I just keep learning what I can to maximize my efforts on G. It pays off well, but it could be sooo much better - and one day YES, they will have to ice their yarbles as the crotch kicker enters the picture!!
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    Like everything else in life, this is all about context.

    If you're an adult, try searching for free porn pictures on Google -- 99% spam sites, many spyware & virus sites, etc. Completely useless.

    If you're a student, try searching for information for a school project and you'll find lots of garbage results, including zillions of spam ads for "cheating" (buy an essay, etc.) -- again, almost completely useless. (Ask.com frequently offers better results for students.)

    If you're looking for a game cheat code, all the links will be to an endless chains of scam sites seeking to sell you something (and not offering the cheat codes you want).

    If you're looking to buy something, 90% of the Google results will be for price-comparison engines that have grossly outdated information and quite often no links to merchants actually offering the product for sale. In this area, the paid ads are MUCH more likely to get you to what you want than the "natural" search results.

    Yet for an awful lot of search types, I get exactly what I want in the first 10 natural search results on Google. I use Google dozens of times every day, and certainly I've never found a better search engine for my needs.

    We can all complain about how Google presents results that are less accurate then we'd like -- this is the same complaint asserted against every search engine and directory site ever produced, period. I suspect that for those who "use Google less and less these days," the majority have either spent less time online overall, or else they have a very narrow search goal that is better met by some specific site or tool.

    As an advertiser in various product categories, I find Google an excellent resource for my clients (e.g. people buy stuff), but in other categories I've found Google to be completely ineffective. Google is an awful tool for "browsing the internet," I think, and it works best when you have a focused search that isn't in a "spam-infested" category.

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    I agree with what everyone's been saying about relevancy being an issue for certain queries.

    However, I think this is endemic to the industry, built in basically. If you are doing algorithmic search, not relying on humans to do it for you, then everyone will always try and game the system. I think we all need to realize that google, yahoo, msn, etc.. are all just tools! You have to know how to use those tools correctly to get what you want.

    There is tons of spam and unhelpful information in google's index, but how many times when you are searching do you actually click on a spammy page? I know I can usually find a decent page within one or two clicks because I know what I'm looking for, and from the descriptions I can usually figure it out.

    Internet literacy is a skill like any other, and search engines are simply tools. Someone may come along at some point and build a better moustrap, but there will be pitfalls and learning curves just like anything else.
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    I still like Google's results - but not a huge fan of Adwords anymore (ahem). However, there really is a simple solution to all of this: Dogpile.com - why search one when you can search all at one time..
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    This is where I thought Portals or Directories were supposed to come into the picture.
    You have a certain subject or keyword and you specialize in it. I have a certain keyword and have tried this. My problem is getting into the top with these keywords. The only way I see this happening is to spent a lot of money on ads in all the SE"s.
    This is really not fair because my domain name is a keyword. Google even spells it wrong.
    Correct spelling - No1 out of 18,000
    Incorrect spelling - No show out of 50,400,000
    It pisses me off!

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    While reading this thread, I realized I am using SEs less than before. For any serious research, I go directly to Wiki and sometimes follow links from there. If I do not find the topic in Wiki, I'd go to Google, then Yahoo.

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    For my main site and search name I'm second to Wikipedia - that's the only reason I don't think the sun shines directly out of G's arse. I reckon it's a matter of time before they start sinking too, in a whoopass contest they're no competition for a whole raft of search terms.

    I am ahead of the CIA and every other of the 41M sites for the term, but hey I have a content site and they don't rank apparently. It's been like this for 4-5 years now - ain't G boring?

    sales - oh yeh, I get them too - content rocks, proper content that is not some spammy bollux words for the sake of it.

    G was inundated with affiliate feed sites a couple of years ago for most terms, the cat and mouse game continues.

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    I too have found Google becoming less relevant and have been using Yahoo way more than Google for the better part of the last 6 months or so.
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    It seems that sometime back, Yahoo's algorithm became closer to Google's - so the results are closer than they used to be. For an unquoted search, both engines will now overlook more relevant sites in favor of higher ranking sites. Both, however, will show the most relevant results provided the sites rank with the needed backlinks, etc.
    I generally do my search with a combination of short common phrases within quotes along with a few extra words - this works well in either engine. Without any quotes you get irrelevant results as Donuts pointed out, especially with G.

    Of course, the best search engine is the one that gives me the best traffic.

    The government entities and non-profits are still head-over-heals in love with Google so your kids will be taught in schools that Google is the only "good" search engine to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyBusiness
    .. there really is a simple solution to all of this: Dogpile.com - why search one when you can search all at one time..
    they look a lot better than I rememeber a few years ago. I have now made Dogpile my default search engine
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    These days when I want information, I just go straight to wiki.
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