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    OptinRealBig caught spamming Myspace accounts
    Once a spammers ... always a spammer.

    MySpace sues Colorado man for sending millions of spam messages
    GARY GENTILE
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    LOS ANGELES - The popular online social networking Web site MySpace.com has sued a Colorado man once accused of being one of the world's top three spammers, saying the man gained access to MySpace profiles using stolen passwords and used the information to send spam bulletins.

    MySpace, which is owned by News Corp., claims Scott Richter and his various companies, including OptInRealBig.com and Mediabreakway.com, sent millions of spam messages to members using technology that made the messages look like they had come from individual members' accounts.

    The lawsuit was filed Friday in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles and asks for damages, an injunction preventing Richter and his companies from accessing MySpace, and repayment of all profits gained as a result of the activity.

    Several calls to Richter were not returned Monday.

    Managing its rapid growth has been a challenge for MySpace, which has fallen prey to people who launch spam attacks.

    Unlike random unsolicited e-mails, which are readily identified as junk, the spam bulletins on MySpace appear to be sent by trusted friends, giving them an air of legitimacy.

    Spammers are able to send the fake messages by planting viruses that post spoof login pages, asking users to re-enter their user name and password. The spam program then logs into the account and send the unwanted ad messages to a person's friend list, which in some cases can number in the tens of thousands.

    The lawsuit claims Richter either stole user names and passwords through a "phishing" attack, or acquired a list of names and passwords from a third party. The messages include come-ons offering free ringtones, Lacoste polo shirts or other items, the lawsuit alleges.

    MySpace has gotten more aggressive in fighting spammers. In recent months, the Beverly Hills-based company hired Hemanshu Nigam, a former federal prosecutor, to head its security efforts and is rapidly expanding its team of software engineers, lawyers and other experts who look for suspicious activity, educate users on how to prevent attacks and go after the worst offenders.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...a/16520570.htm

    The lawsuit accuses Scott Richter and his associates of sending millions of bulletins from different user accounts without their knowledge between July and December 2006. The bulletins advertised ring tones and polo shirts, among other products, MySpace said.

    The suit alleges that Richter obtained a list of compromised accounts or used a technique known as "phishing," where a hacker constructs a fraudulent Web page that harvests log-ins and passwords.

    Richter has had other legal problems. He settled with Microsoft in August 2005 for $7 million, the largest settlement Microsoft obtained in more than 100 spam-related suits active at that time.

    In 2004, Richter's company settled with New York for $40,000 plus $10,000 in investigative costs over spam. He also agreed to comply with the CAN-SPAM Act and use correct information when registering domain names.
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    There should also be criminal charges.

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    I caught them spamming my forums a while ago, took me weeks t get them to stop.

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    You know I'm refreshing the wikipedia page and this recent myspace incident was there and then it's not.

    He was on an episode of The Daily Show being interviewed by Rob Corddry.

    ----this is where it was---------------------------------------------

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    This is one of my favorite pictures from aunty-spam.com:
    Scott Richter 'high volume email deployer' attending a "Spam & the Law conference" held by the Institute for Spam and Internet Public Policy (ISIPP), in San Francisco, July 2005.

    This conference was also about:
    http://www.isipp.com/events.php
    "Child Protection Email Address Registry Compliance". Learn about these laws which are both going into effect on July 1st, and what you need to do in order to be in compliance with them!
    I guess he was already thinking "How to spam MySpace kids accounts without getting caught" Didn't work.

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    Well let's say I wanted to figure out how to circumvent a law. Wouldn't it make sense for me to become an expert on how the law works? Yeah, then I could claim to be abiding by the letter of the law while actually exploiting the gray areas the legislators hadn't thought to cover.

    Damn, I'm brilliant! But I ain't no stinking spammer nor am I the co-dependent of a spammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    Well let's say I wanted to figure out how to circumvent a law. Wouldn't it make sense for me to become an expert on how the law works? Yeah, then I could claim to be abiding by the letter of the law while actually exploiting the gray areas the legislators hadn't thought to cover.

    Damn, I'm brilliant! But I ain't no stinking spammer nor am I the co-dependent of a spammer.
    He is not alone in the family to try to circumvent the law. If you look at the link posted by Trust: http://www.affiliatesummit.com/steven_richter.php
    Daddy is Steven Richter, a "highly recognized Internet Law Attorney"
    "Since his arrival at Media Breakaway, LLC, the home of CPAEmpire.com, the company has posted record breaking revenues and profit. "

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    MySpace should go after John Chow now, he spams the crap out of everyone.

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    Please, cool down.
    After all these parties, have an alka seltzer and look at the facts.
    You said "I think she timed this so that she would exit CPAE as soon as the suit was filed."
    Everybody was pleased to see her leaving CPA Empire. You can be working for a company and don't approve their strategy. Did she knew what was going on? How can you be in charge of PR and don't know what's behind the spin.
    "I only wish you had a real clue about Missy's involvement in CPAEmpire and the real reasons for her departure from them."
    Only her knows the real reasons, I hope she wanted to escape such an awful job.
    Let's say she did it for the best. And to organize the Affiliate Summit was a great reason.
    I'm just wondering about Steven Richter as a speaker at the Affiliate Summit.
    http://www.affiliatesummit.com/steven_richter.php
    What kind of advice can you expect of somebody like him? Who invited him? What is he doing as a speaker at an Affiliate Conference? IMHO, he's worse than his son.
    I posted Scott Richter picture attending a "Spam & the Law conference" because you never who's your neighbor while attending a conference. It doesn't make you a bad person to speak to your neighbor and even to share a few drinks with them but do you have to approve their business?
    I'm sorry to interfere between Chet and you in this conversation but I've a different opinion. Scott, you're the "Affiliate of the Year", it's great. Can you also convince Shawn and Missy to support ABW acronym "Advocating Best E-commerce Standards To Web Entrepreneur Businesses" it will be wonderful.

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    Great resource page most spammers wish didn't exist can be found at http://spamlinks.net/prospam.htm If nothing else my Digi-eStamp solution sure raised the hackles of all those pushing crap, via free e-mail delivery, cause they couldn't even justify the content/cookied links would be worth 1/100th of a cent per mass e-mail.
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    IMHO there's too little attention being paid to the MySpace aspect of all of this - aside from the fact that at this time there's another lawsuit that's been filed against them.

    No, I don't think parents can blame a website for not "protecting" their children, kids should be taught the perils of the internet before they even know how to log on. But the security there needs to be beefed up altogether, maybe they need to hire a professional hacker to audit their systems, to point out their weak spots.

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    Some please spam my account, I want to earn big

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    Is ABW in a State of Denial over Myspace suit?
    Seems like the media and even the Vegas affiliate convention is a-buzz with the Myspace $500 million dollar law suit files against the affiliate industry. Not one mention at ABW. We'll I'm not shy nor connected to any BlackHat affiliate spammers or their Networks offering a Safe Haven. This suit is asking 20 to 75 million in punitive damages agains 25+ affiliate networks and over 60 individual Super Affiliates. Scott Richter is just the lead perp for PR benefit and name recognition traction.

    Let's discuss this event, as it sure isn't going away, as millions of fed up victims of the Adwhore industry are rooting for all forms of affiliate cookie setting spammers a slow painful death. MySpace (News Corp) was threatened to be brought down from the get rich quick affiliate exploiting their user base... "What have you done today to put real value into a click.... from a shoppers viewpoint?" Obviously nothing for those ABWers spamming MySpace and now their sh*t hits the fan for all of us. Bye Bye some CPA networks and new major network rules will come from this!
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    Mike... I think chetf started a thread about it. Most of us were in Vegas when it broke... so the discussion should start soon

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    If you read the press releases that are available, you'll notice a few things...

    it's preliminary - the suit had not even been filed yet (it was filed friday), it's press releases about it coming were flying ervery where... to me this means there could be politics involved like a state AG looking for some press... it also means since it hasn't happened yet (I've searched and cannot find a single copy of the lawsuit - and i'm good at finding shit like that - the cacd doesn't have it available that i could find either), it's conjecture, not hard news... and if you read through the details, the "phishing" that been discussed is also a guess - the release says that names and passwords MAY have been obtained - further, it doesn't specifically accuse Scott R of phishing, just alleged spamming - and it says indirectly the interest may lie in finding where the names came from - and i'm saying that the press release doesn't accuse ScottR of that, just says maybe... what if ScottR (this is CONJECTURE TOO) told lawmen about being offered names or something and is actually a cooperating party here (a stretch sure, but there's so much unknown right now) ... so while chetf and Ecomcity are getting their panties in a wad, i'm looking at the information being released and wondering what exactly is going on, both now and going forward.

    note, the suit was filed on friday, but the news that it was filed was leaked / released before then - that's just a little weird to me. myspace has image problems with child security and i'm wondering if hanging a spammer (he is a spammer no doubt) is a ploy to shine their own image.

    further, while i've never met ScottR, the lacoste polo shirts that they talk about in the press release doesn't even sound like ANY of his past work to me. love him or hate him, he's at the top of the "clever" food chain - to me, lacoste shirts sounds like some french kid screwing around.

    because the release is asserting, to some degree but not fully, that a virus was unleashed to acquire the names and passwords, and the release clearly says it's likely a third party could have perpetrated this (if it happened), i'm wondering who else will be served in the coming days... it is my opinion, that this story hasn't even come close to fully revealing itself. and it is my guess, a pure guess based on the uncertainty I observe in the releases and commentary, that breakaway media may soon not be playing the starring role in this story.

    i think ScottR is the kind of guy who knows he's smart (yes, I'm complimenting a spammer) - i'm betting he's the only one with the balls to admit he's been served. I believe many other networks will be wrapped into this story in the coming days. So, I can't help but wonder if ScottR feels his position can be defended (he has released news of his lawyer being hired for this) while other people haven't come forward yet. To me, now, that sounds like weird behgavior for a guilty man. Those other parties I assert will be involved and come to be known - those are the ones I'm thinking will change our industry.

    time will tell what this myspace thing means...

    and if you know Missy, she's not operations. She sales and pr and marketing and relationships. no matter what ScottR has done years ago, recently or in the future, she's not calling the shots. for me this comes back to some degree to our similar and never ending discussions here of affiliates working with programs that are obviously dirty cuz they make money for affiliates - so i'm not ready to start throwing stones yet in this glass house.

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    Certainly, above and beyond OIRB and Scott (and whoever else you personally like to include in that org), I'm interested to see who else is served as well.

    These kind of events do have implications for all of us to be sure. And I want it clear that my personal stance on parasiteware and spamming is still absolute. It, in NO way, benefits this industry or its members.

    I think this sort of thing tends to make even more important the work that gets done at ABW and by its members.

    The question is, can good press from good affiliates and merchants outpace the bad press generated by these allegations, and I'm sure more allegations to come.

    And furthermore, what kind of good press can we generate? What's compelling about this industry to the consumer? That because of its low COA and high ROI (if properly managed), it drives down consumer costs?

    Not sure the media or public would buy that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    time will tell what this myspace thing means....
    That's dead nuts Donuts! Though the subject is certainly one of great interest, and things of great interest open the door to theories that are all over the board, conjecture, and even Oliver Stone-like mystery, TIME will tell more accurately what exactly the suit is all about and what specific grounds are stated and what perps are involved.

    While it is fun to engage in theoretical "what if" scenarios, we can't at this point accurately discuss the facts based on what at this point is (at best) sound bites. I'm sure that once we know more of the facts behind the plaintiff and defendant positions we will have some substantial conversation here in the war room - until then it's for everyone on me!

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    Also, Billy, I can't find Chet's thread on this... unless you were referring to the Affiliate Summit attendance one.

    There's a big difference in the two threads, if that's the case... Am I thinking of the right thread?
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    Check this thread out from back in October of last year, interesting stuff:

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=153738

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    Great link Trust. Whatever the message board, people are the same.
    I like that:
    "As a high volume affiliate, CPA Empire is my first choice.
    Since I know the staff at CPA Empire, I can assure you that they would never "pay people to phish myspace accounts." (Oct 5th 2006) An other one that knew them. What is he saying, now?
    or
    "I've been working with cpaempire for a long time and they have always been good to me."
    You can find the same kind of posts here at ABW.

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    MySpace looks at the facts. The large Super Affiliate operators, including CPA networks and all the various enities of CPAempire, have automation tools to blast out cookied e-mails, once they find security loopholes in any larger membership site. They smartly split profits with various known spammers to cover their tracks. Look at what immediate steps MySpace took besides the law suit.

    They removed browser based autologins as the spammers/phishers embedded username/password detect scripts on thousands of their planted Myspace dummy accounts. Some well healed link & e-mail spamming enity used 3rd world programmers to defeat MySpace Chapta (image text/number security code) system and turned their BOT loose to generate thousands of dummy Myspace accounts to do their dirty work. Same BOT expertise used for controlling ZombieBot PPCSE phoney click and zombie e-mail blasting from hijacked consumer systems aimed their spammers and link baiting BOTs at MySpace. Now a new Chopta text/number security login in in place to defeat the affiliate BOTs. The perps BOTs and spam machines worked and did, or will, spread to all other major Web2.0 sites.... unless legally whacked by Myspace and News Corp. http://news.com.com/2100-1025-6153607.html?tag=tb

    The cookie setting automation affiliates rule the major networks, as ABW's efforts at the Code of Conduct meeting went unheaded by the greedy network management. CJ BF LS and Performics were hell bent on being a safe haven for totally automated Super Affiliate cookie cannons. The MySpace law suit was just a network/Super Affiliate disaster waiting to happen. No way will it effect me other then generate positive network change results and increased commissions for my legit physical clicks.
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    rumor (yes, just rumor) has it that 22 other networks have now been served or are named in the suit and will soon be served.

    right now, i think we're just seeing the tip of this iceberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    rumor (yes, just rumor) has it that 22 other networks have now been served or are named in the suit and will soon be served.

    right now, i think we're just seeing the tip of this iceberg.

    I have heard from a few of the others who were supposedly served or were going to be served, and they've told me that they've heard NADA so far.
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    Two threads "cleaned" for on topic posts and merged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Lilly
    I have heard from a few of the others who were supposedly served or were going to be served, and they've told me that they've heard NADA so far.
    I trust Joe on this, he's got access to some friends / networks that I don't. And nobody else is coming forward saying they've been served, at least nothing I've heard of. So Joe's post tells me that this story is indeed still unfolding.

    I have seen enough now though, to be certain that many others are specifically named and described in terms of damages sought as well, so there's some piece I must be missing as to the level of involvement of those other parties - they should have been served by now...

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