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    With recent arrests made by the US governments of leading Online Casino bosses, many businesses aligned with online casinos have scattered away from the once lucrative online gaming industry. As affiliate professional, how should we treat our affiliation with these industry players?
    USA is surely a big chunk of the market in the online casino industry. Is it worth the risk to take on the remaining market?

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    If you are a US citizen and or if your web site is in the US..............I would suggest dropping any affiliation with online casinos.
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    "Is it worth the risk to take on the remaining market?"

    Are you asking as a CPA network (Affiliatebot) wanting to let merchants in?

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    I never was interested in promoting gambling. Now I'm even less interested in promoting gambling.

    ronaldmarva, you sure do sound as if you're testing the waters. Are you in the business of promoting casinos? What country do YOU live in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldmarva
    ...USA is surely a big chunk of the market in the online casino industry. Is it worth the risk to take on the remaining market?
    I was in that industry a few years ago when the laws began to change. I wanted to get legal advice on that same issue. After doing some research I found a few lawyers that specialized in that field. The problem was that they wanted in the $5000 range just to do the research and inform me what I could and could not do.

    I decided not to hire them for that and just got out of the online casino industry. I have not regretted that decision.

    Best thing you can do is talk to a lawyer. If your revenues from the online casinos do not justify the price of the lawyer....I'd suggest looking into other industries.

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    It's such now that myself and a few other U.S. OPM's recently told a poster here that we were uninterested in working in that field.

    What I find amazing is that the number of states legalizing gambling, especially on Native American held property, still disapprove of online gambling.

    I know the issue is more far reaching than that.

    I'll bet if they found a way to tax it, they'd allow it
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    >>>I'll bet

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    It's such now that myself and a few other U.S. OPM's
    Correct Noth. I never have, never will, but funny because yesterday I got a call from a merchant wanting to pay me big time for promoting some of his Casino sites.

    I'll gladly pass over his contact info to anyone interested.


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    Nice catch Adam! See you when I get out...
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    Being someone in the market, and being that that's where 95%+ of my monthly income comes from (and 95%+ of that income coming from US players, but not by targeting, it just happened that way), it's a market that I'm trying to get out of because all the restrictions have made not only made it impossible to draw US players, but is now becoming very difficult to collect commissions owed to me.

    One little law and my financial situation went from good to scary.

    I'm currently good for about 2 more months comfortably, after that I haven't a clue. It's unfortunate nothing else has worked as well for me, or worked period, as I've headed down many different roads over the last couple of years while the casino promotions ran themselves.

    It's quite funny how I did little to no work from the beginning and made at least a couple of grand a month through online casinos. It's been like that for nearly the last 2 years. I've been busting my ass to promote mainstream SAS/CJ/Avantlink type merchants for many months and have gotten jack squat out of it so far, except a ton of frustration.

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    Mainstream doesn't have to be mainstream like GAP, Nike, etc. Look for niches you can climb to the top of.

    Also, if you've got good page rank on your old gaming sites, check out services like textlinkbrokers. You may still be able to make some money just linking to others sites still promoting in that space.
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    I guess you may say that I am testing the waters when I open the discussion on online casino. I am not based in the US but I do a lot dealing with US clients. I dont think the US authorities would consider me a big fish to warrant a hold and detain order but a little precaution is worth every penny.
    Online casino has been a lucrative busineness and its still is even without the US market. But exploring the legal possibilities is also quite daunting. I would certainly want to get more input into the matter.

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    I guess that how it is when suddenly a new legislation would just ruin all the good prospects. I am not privy to the legislation itself. but I am thinking that my ignorance may just give a disadvantageous fear for the something that might no even be a legitimate apprehension. I wonder how does the online financial institutions handling this issue. Ultimately, this online personalities do have a say on the profitability of the endeavour of promoting a casino.

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    "Is it worth the risk to take on the remaining market?"

    Are you asking as a CPA network (Affiliatebot) wanting to let merchants in?

    Yes, as a CPA Network, what are the legal impediments that would face us if we take on the remaining markets....Are we in danger of prosecution from the US goverment? What are the necessary guidelines to avoid legal problem with the US government. I see some sites are ostentibly posting on their sites that they dont accept clients from US - will this suffice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paladin
    I was in that industry a few years ago when the laws began to change. I wanted to get legal advice on that same issue. After doing some research I found a few lawyers that specialized in that field. The problem was that they wanted in the $5000 range just to do the research and inform me what I could and could not do.

    I decided not to hire them for that and just got out of the online casino industry. I have not regretted that decision.

    Best thing you can do is talk to a lawyer. If your revenues from the online casinos do not justify the price of the lawyer....I'd suggest looking into other industries.
    A price of range of $5000 is indeed a high price to pay. And I dont think they would even be a able to give a fool-proof cloak of legal invinsibility. Looking the other way around may just be the right option now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldmarva
    Yes, as a CPA Network, what are the legal impediments that would face us if we take on the remaining markets....Are we in danger of prosecution from the US goverment? What are the necessary guidelines to avoid legal problem with the US government. I see some sites are ostentibly posting on their sites that they dont accept clients from US - will this suffice?
    Judging by the corporations who have been targeted by the feds (Netteller, Betonsports who are regarded as perhaps the most legitimate corporations in the business), and the charges brought against them ( tax evasion & money laundering,) my best guess is that the feds appear to be going after big money as a first priority. And they are going after their advertisers too, so watch out.

    I doubt that the new legislation served any real purpose other than to legitimise extorting these billion dollar companies for funds. Most likely to aid the expenditure of the war effort in Iraq. If they can actually make some money out of this in the form of recouped taxes, I'd say the whole industry is in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noth
    It's such now that myself and a few other U.S. OPM's recently told a poster here that we were uninterested in working in that field.

    What I find amazing is that the number of states legalizing gambling, especially on Native American held property, still disapprove of online gambling.

    I know the issue is more far reaching than that.

    I'll bet if they found a way to tax it, they'd allow it
    Yup...I guess I agree to that line of thinking: if they found a way to tax it, they'd allow it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldmarva
    if they found a way to tax it, they'd allow it
    I think that is one of the two main factors behind the crackdown.
    The other is: Millions/Billions? of Dollars were leaving the U.S. never to return.
    Kind of like the Oil Deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronaldmarva
    With recent arrests made by the US governments of leading Online Casino bosses, many businesses aligned with online casinos have scattered away from the once lucrative online gaming industry. As affiliate professional, how should we treat our affiliation with these industry players?
    USA is surely a big chunk of the market in the online casino industry. Is it worth the risk to take on the remaining market?
    Heippa Ronald,

    There is certainly a BIG turnaround in this area,specially after the black day, October 13.

    I personally think there is a lot of potential out there, look at all the markets that havent developed yet. Unfortunately, many of them still have a rather low internet penetration - take Brazil for instance. France is currently a booming market, so is Germany and Poland. There are quite a few preparing the Turkish market aswell. Think, tere is a world of possiblities, even without the US.

    The US market is definetely out of the scope (skill games or games of skill are still ok, i think.). The US meant, in some cases i know, about 85% of the global revenue. There has been quite a few mergers and a lot of lay-offs, more are to come. To me the US meant about 55% revenue.

    A little bird told me that in France they started going after affiliates for "promoting illegal gambling in France". Nobody knocked on my door yet, but i dont have a site in french. One thing is certain, i took out my name and photo from the website, just in case.

    Right now, they are going after the "payment solutions" guys (look at what happened to the Neteller guys....."charged" with money laundering) and the gambling sites ceo's, (look at what happend to the Bwin guys when went to sign the contract with Monaco FC). I think its interesting that many gambling sites today do not feature corporate directors page anylonger, everyone that can is hidding their but under the chair - .....i can get you a handfull of names in just 5 seconds ).

    After those, who knows ..... the affiliates? I personally doubt, they want the big sharks, they are not after the small fish.
    Its the gambling companies that steal money to the monopolies, not the affiliates, thats just my opinion.

    I certainly will continue my business as usual - but i wont be travelling to France so soon.

    Warm regards,
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    sorry the spelling.

    I definetely need to go to bed now....puh.

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