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    Kookoobear's HUGE Image Sizes
    Comrade, the site itself uses 170x200 thumbnail images, so WHY do WE have to use those humungous 250x250 full size images from the feed or Makeapage? Or take the time to download the photos, open Photoshop and resize them all ourselves before using photos or putting pages up?

    There aren't even image sizes included, so we can't just search and replace. and even with html re-sizing, it'll still be downloading the full size image that'll affect page download time. Each of those images is 47kb in size, so put only 6 images on a page and that brings the pages to close to 300kb each - plus the page logo and html code. That's about 5x what pages should be, and that's only with a few items each page.

    Any reason why the thumbs can't be put into the feed, or a batch process run to give smaller ones?

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    WW,

    Sorry for not getting back with you on this earlier (I have been on the road over the past two days).

    I've just checked this in several places, and looks like [see this page as an example] that for the same product they use at times use a 170x200 px image, a 250x250 px one, and a larger one for the close-up... Other pages (e.g.: "Lighting" section), uses only 170x200 ones (for for thumbnails, and for close-ups)... Let me ask you this: would you rather have all thumbs in the 170x200 size that the site is using, and the close-ups can be whichever way KKBK does it?

    Geno

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    Webworker, just thought I'd throw a suggestion out there.

    Fireworks has a batch process built into it, lot of great configuration options, can do 100's. Resize/optimize/export..... Anyway, it's a great program. You might want to take a look at it.

    http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/

    There is a 30 day free trial so you can check it out. I tried it, ended up buying it and now my photoshop is shelfware.

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    WW, would Mack's solution work for you, or would you rather have a separate column with paths to 170 x 200 thumbnails?

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    Fireworks has a batch process built into it, lot of great configuration options, can do 100's.
    So does Photoshop (and Photopaint and PSP, and even some free utilities that can thumbnail whole directories of graphics all at once), but that means having to right click and download thousands of images, resizing them, uploading them and changing filepaths on hundreds or thousands of links.

    Geno, that wouldn't be usable for doing a lot of images, but having a column for 170x200 would work just fine. It would also be nice if SAS feeds all included image sizes, whatever they are, so one find and replace in Excel could do a proportional HTML downsizing when needed (like we do with USERID).

    This store has GORGEOUS stuff, and it's nice that there are high quality photos for display, unlike some other sites that have tiny, fuzzy graphics - it's just the dimensions thing that needs a bit of modification.

    Thanks, and also thanks for the Fireworks reminder. I've heard for a long time that it's the best software for optimizing images, if I didn't already have several graphics programs I'd get it for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    Geno, that wouldn't be usable for doing a lot of images, but having a column for 170x200 would work just fine.
    Ok. We're already working with the merchant to make these appear in the feed.


    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    It would also be nice if SAS feeds all included image sizes, whatever they are, so one find and replace in Excel could do a proportional HTML downsizing when needed (like we do with USERID).
    This would be a suggestion for this thread .


    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    This store has GORGEOUS stuff, and it's nice that there are high quality photos for display, unlike some other sites that have tiny, fuzzy graphics - it's just the dimensions thing that needs a bit of modification.
    Thank you. I also think KooKooBearKids.com have some of the most beautiful products available online, and we're proud to be working with them.

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    Checked at Netmechanic:

    123766 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010393p-f.jpg
    98715 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010393blue-f.jpg
    78608 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010103-f.jpg
    68114 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010104B-F.jpg
    60541 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010104RED-F.JPG
    53536 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/00010115-f.jpg
    48196 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010104navy-F.JPG
    47768 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/00010108-f.jpg
    46216 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/00010105g-f.jpg
    45387 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/00010115p-f.jpg
    45198 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/00010115l-f.jpg
    45025 IMG http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/02010104-F.jpg
    Checked with WebmasterWorld Page Size Checker:

    Total WebPage Size 9311 (bytes)
    Visible Text Size 2007 (bytes)
    Size of HTML Tags 7304 (bytes)
    Text to HTML Ratio 22.05%
    Number of Images 17
    Largest Image Size 123766 (bytes)
    Size of All Images 778261 (bytes)
    Grand Total:
    Images+Html= 787572 (bytes)
    Over two minutes to load for people using 56K dial-up.
    Last edited by webworker; March 1st, 2007 at 01:28 AM.

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    Ok. I am told that KKBK programmers are working on it.

    I will keep you posted on the progress.

    Geno

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    Thanks, Geno!

    Meantime, I'll be making up my "text link category page" for KKBK and will do up a few "showcase room" type pages for special items that I particularly like and would like to feature - and will customize some images myself for a certain type of presentation I've got in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno Prussakov
    Ok. I am told that KKBK programmers are working on it.

    I will keep you posted on the progress.

    Geno
    Geno, this might help to expedite things and make it easier on their end. There are utilities that can be used, either desktop or running on a site itself, that do batch processing of images.

    Another one of your merchants has their thumbnail photos listed in the feed in a folder called /images/100x500/ - which they aren't, they're smaller and actually a great size.

    If all the KKBK images are resized in batch-mode with the resized images placed in a folder called /images/thumbs/ or /images/150x150/ or something similar after processing, the feed can just use that folder path for pulling the thumbnail images.

    OR: if there are some variations in image size, they can be resized by a percentage. For example, 250x250 could be 50% which is a very nice size and fits 2,3 or 4 images across a row very nicely.

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    Thank you, WW!

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    A nice solution for an affiliate in this situation is to employ an image resizer. For example the merchant provides the URL: http://site.com/huge/image.jpg and no thumbnail image. As an affiliate we can do this on our product pages and search results:

    <img src="/resizer.php?url=http://site.com/huge/image.jpg">

    The script resizer.php can be made to download the image to the affiliate's server and save it in a "safe" resolution. Then the URL is redirected to the smaller image on the affiliate's server. The best way to go is to cache the images for future use. That way once the product appears to one customer the next customer won't have to wait for your server to download the image again.

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    I'd be glad if I could get 250x250s from all my merchants. Big pictures make more sales! Plus, thumbnails look lost on my single-product pages.

    I mention this because I want to point out that the big size should always be an available option. Both the big pix, and the thumbnails, need to be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    I'd be glad if I could get 250x250s from all my merchants. Big pictures make more sales! Plus, thumbnails look lost on my single-product pages.

    I mention this because I want to point out that the big size should always be an available option. Both the big pix, and the thumbnails, need to be available.
    I agree that the larger the images the better. Customers like large resolutions. Honestly I'd be happy if a merchant only supplied large images because the smaller ones can just be generated on the fly.

    The thing is you can't use large images on search results or category pages, so this is where the thumbnails are needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    I'd be glad if I could get 250x250s from all my merchants. Big pictures make more sales! Plus, thumbnails look lost on my single-product pages.

    I mention this because I want to point out that the big size should always be an available option. Both the big pix, and the thumbnails, need to be available.
    I agree with Leader. I'm creating pages where I only focus on 1 or 2 products and I would like to have the option of using a large picture.

    It's nice to have the option to choose from either the large or the smaller sizes.
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    It's fine to make 250x250 images available, but that is not an appropriate size for thumbnails. I notice that they aren't using that size for their thumbnail pages. I have never, ever seen any site using huge images like that for thumbnails - and see no reason why we should have to download and process all their images to make up for their lack of effort - they HAVE smaller images, which THEY themselves are using, but apparently they just can't be bothered.

    I am told that KKBK programmers are working on it.
    Apparently not. Geno, if they can't be bothered to make an investment of their resources in their affiliate program, then I can't be bothered putting up links for them for 3rd quarter updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    It's fine to make 250x250 images available, but that is not an appropriate size for thumbnails. I notice that they aren't using that size for their thumbnail pages. I have never, ever seen any site using huge images like that for thumbnails - and see no reason why we should have to download and process all their images to make up for their lack of effort - they HAVE smaller images, which THEY themselves are using, but apparently they just can't be bothered.
    They've actually made this really easy for affiliates. I took a look at their format and a large image URL looks like this:

    http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/01020023-f.jpg

    All you have to do to get the thumbnail image is the replace the -f at the end with a -t. For example this is the thumbnail for the same product:

    http://www.kookoobearkids.com/images/01020023-t.jpg

    It's when you can't easily figure out the naming format that you might run into a problem. But I still think the best solution is to have your server download and resize the images on the fly so you can make them any size you want.

    It's the datafeeds that are more complicated like this that work out better in the end because fewer affiliates will be using them. Thus less competition.

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    I still think the best solution is to have your server download and resize the images on the fly so you can make them any size you want.
    Scott, my server doesn't download anything, pages are uploaded to shared hosting with CuteFTP or Dreamweaver. Maybe in 5-10 years from now, when I have time and can automate and program a dynamic site, but in the meantime, for a static hand-rolled site there is no way.

    However, if you insist, please be kind enough to outline the procedure to use for doing a static site with images so big they make ecomcity look like it loads quickly in comparison.

    But:

    More importantly, the whole issue of this being ignored - when they have smaller images right on their server because THEY use them, and could - themselves - modify the feed to include the size THEY are using for thumbnails - is IMHO a tell-tale sign that their affiliate program doesn't represent very much to them, nor do their affiliates.

    Geno has done an exemplary job of it and gone the second mile to promote this program, but I'm not seeing anything from the merchant's end to indicate that they're affiliate-friendly.

    How long would it take them to do a minor modification on their feed so it points to smaller images? IMHO at this point in time, it's all about their attitude.

    Added:

    It's been a month and a half already with no joy, the sound of their silence is loud and clear - beating a dead horse is a waste of time. They do just fine in the organic SERPs, but as far as being a merchant to work with, IMHO they're deadbeats and I wan't no part of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    However, if you insist, please be kind enough to outline the procedure to use for doing a static site with images so big they make ecomcity look like it loads quickly in comparison.
    In this case you just need to create a new column in excel. Copy the current image column so you've got two duplicate columns with the image URLs. Then do a find and replace on the new column to replace -f with -t. Now you've got a thumbnail column.

    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    It's been a month and a half already with no joy, the sound of their silence is loud and clear - beating a dead horse is a waste of time. They do just fine in the organic SERPs, but as far as being a merchant to work with, IMHO they're deadbeats and I wan't no part of them.
    Welcome to my world. I complain to merchants about datafeed issues constantly. Some fix the problems right away while others never make the effort. Its when the problem is a show stopper and the merchant just refuses to cooperate that I move on to the next merchant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    ...Geno, if they can't be bothered to make an investment of their resources in their affiliate program, then I can't be bothered putting up links for them for 3rd quarter updates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Snib
    ...I complain to merchants about datafeed issues constantly. Some fix the problems right away while others never make the effort. Its when the problem is a show stopper and the merchant just refuses to cooperate that I move on to the next merchant.
    WW, Snib and everyone else, watch for my announcement on this merchant within the next 24 hours.

    Geno

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snib
    In this case you just need to create a new column in excel. Copy the current image column so you've got two duplicate columns with the image URLs. Then do a find and replace on the new column to replace -f with -t. Now you've got a thumbnail column.
    - Scott
    Good idea, what is the current standard if there is on one for TN Pic's?

    64x64, 80x80 or 125x125
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno Prussakov
    WW, Snib and everyone else, watch for my announcement on this merchant within the next 24 hours...
    Announcement made.

    Thread closed. (Feel free to discuss any KKBK issues in other parts of ABW)

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