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    MyPoints on CJ.
    Just popped in "New Advertisers" this morning.
    Congratulations. Say goodbuy to your cookies.

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    Just what the affiliate world needs ... another butthole dumping their cookie crap onto hijacked systems. People who pray at the alter of forced click cookie stuffers and double-dippers are just amoral hypocrites.
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    "In my view, these Direct Revenue-delivered pop-ups are serious offenses against the targeted merchants," says a seemingly disappointed and increasingly jaded Ben Edelman. The well-known spyware/adware researcher is at it again -- this time placing super affiliates, CoolSavings.com and Mypoints.com into an Affiliate Hall of Shame and raising, in my opinion, serious questions about affiliate network compliance teams... their ability to enforce their own rules among major (easily identified) affiliates.


    http://www.revenews.com/jeffmolander...es/001324.html

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    What else can we expect from the THIEVES running CJ (or LinkShare)?
    For more info about MyPoints read this: January 16, 2006 - Updated February 19, 2006
    "As it turns out, CoolSavings and MyPoints are widely violating applicable rules. Despite clear prohibitions from affiliate networks, both CoolSavings and MyPoints recently began using "adware" ("spyware," most users would say) to recruit new users, at the expense of their targeted "partner" merchants."
    http://www.benedelman.org/news/011606-1.html
    "CoolSavings and MyPoints' ads violate applicable affiliate network rules. Commission Junction prohibits affiliates from buying media from "ad services that download and install software on an end user's computer" -- so traffic from Direct Revenue is clearly off-limits. But that's not the only rule these pop-ups violate. Recall CJ's rule against "in any manner ... modif[ying]" others' sites. And LinkShare forbids (PDF) "alter[ing] in any manner the Web user's ... view ... of ... any network affiliate webpage" (rule 1.(a)(i))."

    Why is CJ accepting MyPoints in their program? Shame on them.

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    Zeus and I posted at about the same time with reference to information that is over a year old. Ben's comment MAY not apply today.

    What say you, Ben?

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    Adam, everything about Direct Revenue is outdated BUT.
    MyPoints is a known offender. I don't care if these people are clean, NOW! They stole from merchants and affiliates. They didn't care about networks rules. It's a fact.
    Accepting them as an ADVERTISER at CJ shows a lack of respect for their affiliates

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    No surprise here. After all, CJ let their position be known when they signed up UPromise last year.

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    Apathy and misunderstanding abounds and so this stuff continues virtually unabated. To call any of it "news" is laughable. The simple fact is, CJ and others allow stealing cuz it greatly benefits them and they've been dressing it the same way for years.

    The only thing new in the last few years is the proliferation of cpa networks, connected to these networks, and at times not, that are acting as subaffiliate networks who can AUTOMATICALLY cross-promote offers through other peer cpa networks - so stuff like this happens...

    YesStyle claims to be an exclusive SAS merchant... later, they get approached by a cpa network who wants to "run" their "offers"... YesStyle wants new business and is too ignorant (or lazy or misinformed or greedy) to say no... so they put another cookie biter code snippet onto their cart (or the cpa network runs through the larger affiliate network)... they don't tell SAS so they maintain their exclusive status... that cpa network aims shitware at the "offer"... dupes a few idiot affiliates into believing they should sign up through them for higher payouts (affs fall for it and legitimize some of the cpa network traffic)... then this cpa network decides to share it's good fortune (cuz they can monetize it) with other cpa thieves by cross-promoting the offers through directtrack's cross promote feature... now pooled across many shithead cpa networks, direct revenue, exact and tons of other crapware starts a popping... people write articles about how important transparency is, but we have none... cpa networks eventually become somewhat of a specialist in certain shitware apps... so the cpa network that lied to and fooled yesstyle, bounces their offers through MANY other peer cpa networks so they cover more bases and they all start pounding and popping... later, they return the favor to the other cpa networks and cross promote back, the ones they manage to lied to a merchant about...

    Then Perf and CJ and LinkShare see how much money they're "losing" (i.e. "not stealing") and they decide to let in anyone and everyone who can monetize a click... they have lost all interest in value and the goal of incremental sales.

    My problem is the merchants. They get fooled so easily that CJ, Performics, LinkSahre and others can easily do it - so can the snakes running cpa networks. Hell, if you track down these cpa networks in detail, you'll learn that several of them are adware / spyware vendors from the past - even some from the present. There's so much to see and learn here about how all this fraud is committed. But nobody will listen much or care once they hear some anonymous affiliate post here that they make good money anyway... that's all part of the problem... the apathy that surrounds us. If there's no problem, there's never a solution. Settling is for the weak minded and lazy. Is that us?

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    Donuts, I don't follow how your comments relate to MyPoints. Could you clarify?

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    Without ordinary affiliates I doubt these parasitic types could survive. They need to feed. If we ordinary affiliates could only shut down our links and take a year off we might starve them. It might be fun to watch them feeding first on one another though.

    Yes, it's impractical and yes, I'm feeling morbid.

    Plus ca change. :shrug:

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    They usually pop on the merchant site (target the merchant's domain) so that's not really going to have any affect on them. What should happen is the merchants should fire any affiliate manager that gets the affiliate program/merchant involved in that nonsense. But most merchants don't have a clue about all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust
    But most merchants don't have a clue about all of this.
    Very, very true! They might learn some stuff here - if you see any programs you work with, where they post about a parasite, engage them. They might learn at a seminar, if you go and see them, encourage them to attend the right sessions. They might learn a ton from Kellie's AffiliateFairPlay service / site, encourage them to join.

    Motivation is a key. Pick your battles, but tell some merchants you're reluctant to work with them because they have bad partners and point them to the best learning resources you know of.

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    Given that the current PSA requires that all sites have a privacy policy defining the use of cookies, how would this be handled with a pop up? "You must conspicuously post Your privacy policy on Your Web site and otherwise make it available to all Visitors." Does this mean that a pop up must have a link to the privacy policy?

    and the use of pop up "reminders" has clearly been defined at CJ regarding where they can pop... "Pop up/unders are acceptable on a first party basis only when triggered by YOUR SITE content" that has nothing to do with popping on an advertisers site to remind users of points availability

    So it seems if they have a link to their privacy policy on the pop up that is only delivered on their site that they would be in the clear.....

    Oh wait as an advertiser...is that the catch 22? hands off now? grey has become black and white.

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    I was thinking about this a bit more and as an advertisers i think they would be in the clear to sign up anyone for their service even if they popped anything and everything at their clients, but if they were to do this as a publisher then it a whole different thing. It's simply a last grasp at the money sitting on the table for those that have not been infected yet and helping to transfer commissions from CJ and affiliates like us to direct relationships with portals like mypoints.

    As far as offering the "points" (and cookies) the only way to see if it's a direct relationship vs a network relationship is to see what cookie is dropped. If these are direct to merchant relationships there is nothing that we can say that will make any difference aside from educating merchants. If these are not direct to merchant relationships it will only be a matter of time as they already have good momentum.

    Short of legislation on delivering cookies via a popup in a direct relationship it's up to the merchants alone, (provided the software use does not violate any current legislation)

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    From my personal experience.
    I myself used to be a loyal MyPoints member - years ago, before I knew squat about affiliate marketing. So I know how this seems attractive to regular Joes - shop online and get something back.
    Now MyPoints expects us to promote them, and, for pathetic $2 convert our shoppers into their click monkies forever. This is insulting to say the least.
    I still have two MyPoints accounts and I click every single email they send (bonus mail, survey mail) and get every 5 points possible, then order a $10 gas card or $25 Target card once in a while. When I shop - I make sure to overwrite MyPoints cookies with my own, so they get nothing out of me.

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