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    It's Been Fun
    I want to say it's been fun running across (virtually) some of the people on this board, and it's been great meeting (again, virtually) a lot of good people in the industry (Haiko, Brian Littleton, Gary M, Andy R, Chris Sanderson and countless others that it would take me a while to just type out all the names). I have to say virtually because I was never lucky enough, nor did I make enough money, to make a trip to one of these overpriced conferences and meet them in person.

    After 3 years, almost to the day, it's just apparent this is not the 'job' for me. I've worked way too hard to make very little money and since I do have to keep a roof over my head, and this isn't doing it, it's time to head back into the world for an offline job. If not I'll be flat broke in 2 months (literally).

    The only reason I lasted was, thanks to an early issue of Revenue magazine, I jumped in to the casino market. I threw up a directory, not even a domain, off of my oldest domain and I never ranked for any major keywords but somehow managed to come in 2nd to 10th for the casino names I was promoting. And still do. That gave me enough traffic to pay the rent and bills, buy and fix up an old 81 Chevy truck, plus some other luxuries I had been long overdue for (new furniture, etc). But thanks to legislation, my income immediately went to near zero. 95%+ of my players happened to be from the US, and 95%+ of my income came from those players. Rule those out, well it's basic math.

    Since nothing else works for me then there's not a lot of staying power for me in this business. So I'm ditching it for something a little more steady, that I won't have to work as hard for, and that I can try and gain some financial stability from. Yeah I can lose a job, but there's another one out there. When you dip into a wide variety of markets online and can't gain ground, then it seems rather futile. Again, I have to have a roof over my head, my truck can't really hold me night after night. Although it may soon.

    Funny thing is I put NOTHING, other than the creation of the pages, into the casino thing. I've put hours and hours.....and hours and hours into everything else I've dipped my toes in and it's resulted in pretty much nothing. That will always tickle me, no matter what.

    Anyway, I've babbled on long enough. I'll be a distant memory in a couple of days so no reason to carry on. For anyone who may possibly notice my absence, well that's the purpose of this post.

    Good luck to everyone. And it was fun actually thinking I could live independently, even if it was just for a while.

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    Funny thing is I put NOTHING, other than the creation of the pages, into the casino thing.
    = Win

    I've put hours and hours.....and hours and hours into everything else I've dipped my toes in
    = Lose

    Looks like what I've always said about w*rk is proving itself once again! (In a sentence, the amount of extra work added is generally inversely proportional to success.) There's a whole behavior pattern that's associated with the "I'll workworkworkworkwork and that alone'll make something happen" mindset that's totally contrary to actually getting anywhere.

    Two months usually isn't enough lead time to avoid empl*yment if you're stone broke with a m*rtgage (Goofle can be sooo slow!), but try just throwing up some no-work pages exactly like you did for the casinos. You may eventually find yourself back on the sunny side of the wall after all.

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    Good luck. Maybe keep a site or two going trying new things in your spare time. Since you had success in the past I am sure you will have it again.
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    I agree with Mellie. If you can afford to maybe keep just even one of your sites going....maybe something will change for you. Sorry things didn't work out for you Good luck in finding a job that hopefully you'll like and best wishes to you in the future with whatever you do.

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    Sorry to see you go, Shawn. Good luck in finding employment that suits what you'd like to do. And don't give up on affiliate marketing--play with it in your free time and you might just be surprised one of these days!

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    Sorry to hear that:
    mobilebadboy - I've worked way too hard to make very little money and since I do have to keep a roof over my head, and this isn't doing it, it's time to head back into the world for an offline job.
    3 years is a long time. Sure, affiliate marketing is an investment but if you can't see a return on your investment after the first year, there's a problem.
    Affiliate Marketing is becoming incredibly difficult. Search engines, competition exacerbed by marketing of "get rich quick" ebooks, unethical networks, parasites are taking their toll.
    Good luck to you.

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    Hi Shawn

    Dude! Don't leave us yet! Drop me a PM/ email I've got a few ideas that I hope we can work on together to get some revenue flowing, nothing heavy on the time issues either.

    Cheers

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    Getting a job isn't the end all, although it's annoying as hell sometimes. It may simply mean a way for you to pay your bills while you continue to work on the side for your business (if you plan to that is). Think of it as a restart, in a manner of speaking...

    Also, 3 years is a very long time to not show a return. I'd be curious to know what you were doing for that length of time that still isn't bringing any profit in (i.e., what have you actualy accomplished so far, in that time period)..

    Either way, best of luck to you! Hope things straighten themselves out soon...

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    Shawn, it sounds like right now, you need a "mental" break away from the emotional side of the online marketing arena. From your post, it sounds like you are making a "one or the other" choice, which tells me the disappointment you had to deal with after the gaming field strangled your income has you wanting to wash your hands of the whole online thing.

    Rather than one or the other, I truly hope that you will find an enjoyable offline job to give you a steady income, and then while you do that, continue to dabble with online development.

    I've enjoyed reading many of your posts, and especially admired you volunteering code last week to help others. Chu can dooo it Shawn, and after a little bit of a breather from it, I hope you will get inspired again to keep dabbling. My best wishes to you for the future.

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    Looks like what I've always said about w*rk is proving itself once again! (In a sentence, the amount of extra work added is generally inversely proportional to success.) There's a whole behavior pattern that's associated with the "I'll workworkworkworkwork and that alone'll make something happen" mindset that's totally contrary to actually getting anywhere.
    That reminds me of what an old fisherman told me years ago. He said, "You're trying to hard". I just laughed at him, but years later I could finally see the wisdom in that.

    Shawn- I have a feeling you'll be back.

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    Uh... I'm not good at pep talks... but re-read your post. You DID have success. You KNOW it works. Like mellie said, try keeping your feet wet a little bit.

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    Don't give up the dream. I've had some ups and downs too in recent years and previous pages that were making tons of money have dried up, simply because merchants switched networks or dropped their affiliate programs. I'm not giving up, though. I think about my sites and affiliate marketing all day. As soon as I get home, I'm online working on my sites. It's addicting! My day j*b is just something I do to pay my bills until I can go full-time with AM. I hope you'll take that attitude too and not give up!
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    I'm living, breathing proof that one can have a job and am sites.

    But working a job and running a biz isn't for eveyone.

    It does sound like you need a break. I'm not sure once you've been in am, you give it up forever. People keep leaving this board and then coming back.

    So best wishes, in whatever you decide.

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    Definitely get a job to hold you over, but don't throw in the hat yet. Take a break from affiliate marketing if you feel like you need it, but once you're ready, jump back in part time. You've tasted the freedom that affiliate marketing can provide.

    The one thing I will suggest is to look for ideas that provide tremendous value to consumers. Ask yourself, "What do people need help doing?" Think of problems that need solved. Search the Internet for solutions. If you can't find them, that's often a good thing to build. If you find some, but you think you can do a much better job, it's probably a good idea.

    For example, how about a site comparing all the DVD rental plans out there? I just searched and see several, but none that do a particularly good job. I think that could be a very good site. Include extensive details of all the plans offered by all of the DVD rental companies. Figure out the things that are important to different consumers and let them narrow the comparison based on their own criteria. Go way beyond what anyone else is doing. For instance, find out from the companies where their distribution centers are, allow consumers to enter their zip code, and use the USPS API to find out how quickly people should receive movies from each provider. Find out how many titles each company caries. Focus on the differences between them. Who includes games? Who has adult movies? Who allows movies to be exchanged in sstore? How quickly do they ship after you return a movie? Do they ship when they receive, or can you tell them when you put the movie in the mail and get your next one shipped quicker? What are the differences in their interfaces? Are there unique features? Allow consumers to rate and review the companies. Make it very user friendly. Keep it up to date as companies change prices, add plans, and drop plans. Promote it through PPC, a press release, and other methods. If you build something that thorough and helpful, you'll be surprised how much organic traffic (not just SEO/search, but blogs, news mentions, forum postings, word of mouth, etc.) you'll get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Looks like what I've always said about w*rk is proving itself once again! (In a sentence, the amount of extra work added is generally inversely proportional to success.) There's a whole behavior pattern that's associated with the "I'll workworkworkworkwork and that alone'll make something happen" mindset that's totally contrary to actually getting anywhere.
    That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Look at some of the most successful companies out there. Did any of them get where they are without work? I know you can probably give me thousands of examples of work not producing success, but can you give me even one example of the lack of work producing success?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobilebadboy
    The only reason I lasted was, thanks to an early issue of Revenue magazine, I jumped in to the casino market. I threw up a directory, not even a domain, off of my oldest domain and I never ranked for any major keywords but somehow managed to come in 2nd to 10th for the casino names I was promoting. And still do. That gave me enough traffic to pay the rent and bills, buy and fix up an old 81 Chevy truck, plus some other luxuries I had been long overdue for (new furniture, etc). But thanks to legislation, my income immediately went to near zero. 95%+ of my players happened to be from the US, and 95%+ of my income came from those players. Rule those out, well it's basic math.
    Well, at least you were smart enough to try to diversify!!! Since you failed to do so, after 3 years of trying, I'd say I'd have to agree with you that this work may not be the ideal "job" for you. Good luck in whatever comes next!!!

    Lesson for others here - if you get to the point where one thing is working well and you feel like you've "made it", don't stop - you must diversify to have staying power. Dips will come... will you be ready?

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    Sorry that things have give this way for you. I too have enjoyed your posts and appreciate the information you have provided for the benefit of so many others.

    However, you really should keep this in mind and hang on to at least some of what you have built: After the next presidential election, the new administration may very well decide that online gambling could a significant source of tax revenue that should be not criminalized, but regulated and taxed.

    Best of luck in the future.
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    "Looks like what I've always said about w*rk is proving itself once again! (In a sentence, the amount of extra work added is generally inversely proportional to success.) There's a whole behavior pattern that's associated with the "I'll workworkworkworkwork and that alone'll make something happen" mindset that's totally contrary to actually getting anywhere."

    Was about to say what Michael already said. That didn't make much sense.

    Shawn, the thing with this is you can always do it on the side or come back to it later if you want and can. One day you might come up with an idea, SE's start showing some love, maybe try PPC, all kinds of things can happen.

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    Best wishes on whatever you chose to do.

    We will keep the lights on, you are always welcome
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    Shawn, in the relatively short time I've been at ABW I've learned to look for your posts. You have a humorous way of looking at life that always helps brighten my day.

    I've also appreciated some of your more informative posts (particularly on datafeeds-thanks) and find it hard to believe that someone as knowledgeable as you has had so little success in this industry.

    I wish you a lot of luck in whatever you decide to do and hope you'll make it back to ABW once in a while.

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    Wow, that is really depressing. If you are able to do it though, like many people said, find one site and work on it after work each day. You will have income coming in from your job so you can easily not have to depend on the site until you figure out how to get it to work.

    If you need help in the job search, although most people already know these, some awesome places to look are:

    indeed.com a job search engine
    craigslist.org
    idealist.org
    the big boys in the industry and hey, join the programs for one last commission:
    Monster
    Careerbuilder
    HotJobs
    DCJobs (replace dc with your city, they have expanded very much recently)


    But most importantly take care of yourself. Ona side note as well and as Haiko already said your are always welcome here. Just because you won't get home till 6 or 7 doesn't mean you can;t stop in and see what's been going on. =0)

    Take care!
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    Hey Shawn, I'll miss you!

    I echo what a lot of others have already said: Don't give up - keep a few sites going on the side while you take care of business elsewhere.

    I wish a really cool job for you where you have FUN, make plenty of money to relax about the wolves at the door and a speedy return to your ABW family. And like others said, too, we'll be here. Stop by to say hello and let us know how you're doing and where you land.

    You're gonna be a valuable employee now that you've run your own show for a few years. Know that you'll be adding value to whoever you work for.
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    Shawn,

    Best of luck on whatever you end up doing in the next phase of your life.

    There's some great advice here.. I'll add my advice to the list...

    Don't take down the sites you've worked hard on. Work on them when you have spare time, and if nothing else you'll get a big bonus each Q4. You do good work my friend. The most effective Affiliates I know have been doing this for years and years so don't remove the content/sites you've worked so hard on just yet. Just revisit once you get your head above water again and slowly continuing moving forward..

    Feel free to give me a call sometime. I have a few more ideas that may interest you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mobilebadboy
    I want to say it's been fun running across (virtually) some of the people on this board, and it's been great meeting (again, virtually) a lot of good people in the industry (Haiko, Brian Littleton, Gary M, Andy R, Chris Sanderson and countless others that it would take me a while to just type out all the names). I have to say virtually because I was never lucky enough, nor did I make enough money, to make a trip to one of these overpriced conferences and meet them in person.
    Shawn,

    Don't give up completely. Keep plugging away, do get a source of income to keep the bills covered but make sure you keep plugging away and continue learning.

    If you decide to keep your toes in affiliate marketing, I want to invite you to Miami for AS 2006 East. I have a full conference pass with your name on it.

    You can meet all of us, attend the sessions, educate yourself even more and spend 3 days with our family. That should charge you up enough to keep your engine running ... PM or email me if you want to take me up on this offer buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Rodriguez
    If you decide to keep your toes in affiliate marketing, I want to invite you to Miami for AS 2006 East. I have a full conference pass with your name on it.

    You can meet all of us, attend the sessions, educate yourself even more and spend 3 days with our family. That should charge you up enough to keep your engine running ... PM or email me if you want to take me up on this offer buddy.
    Very cool Andy!
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    Shawn,

    Best of luck to you in whatever your endeavor! Stay in touch, let us know what off-line world you have deceided to play in.

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