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    Question Fly Fishing for White Fish. Tips?
    The closest trout lake is not in a walking distance and we do not have a car here in England.

    So I've decided to try my luck fly fishing for white fish (or coarse fish, as they call it here in England).

    Does anyone have any advice on fly fishing for white fish? For example, what flies to use in extremely warm and blooming Spring (wet, dry, what size, etc)... or anything else you can share either from your experience, or from what you have read, heard, or were told in the past.

    I am quite new to fly fishing and so far have only fly fished for trout and salmon. Would appreciate any advice...

    Many thanks in advance,

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    ...with so many ABW-ers being/getting into fishing, we will soon have a good enough crowd to propose a Fishing forum of our own.

    Geno

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    Hi Geno,

    I have no advice for you, sorry. I just wanted to tell you good luck with that and it sounds like fun. If you are into fishing that is, which I am not. But fun for you nonetheless.

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    Geno,

    They probably have a huge white fish population in the river / lake. Wherever white fish are found, they multiply quickly. In the gold medal river waters in Colorado, we are told by the wildlife commission to kill them when we catch them to help control overpopulating.

    They love salmon eggs. I would suggest a size 18 or 20 hook small egg pattern. Try mellon, pink, orange (red). Fish them near the bottom and just tweak the rod a couple times before bringing your line up and re-casting.

    I've also caught them on hair's ear nymphs (size 20) pheasant tails, # 18 - 20. If the lake has a lot of them, you should do fine. They are a decent little fighter, and some people love to eat them. I don't like them in general, but smoked they are pretty good.

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    Don't believe we have those in my neck of the woods, Geno. Wish i could help. I'm looking them up to be sure though.
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    So I've decided to try my luck fly fishing for white fish (or coarse fish, as they call it here in England).
    I always understood coarse fish to mean carp, chub, roach, rudd (??), and maybe pike, and possibly some more species. Is that what you mean?

    I've never heard of anyone fly fishing for coarse fish, but it doesn't mean you can't do it I guess! Part of fishing fun is the element of surprise.

    Nothing comes to mind really for fly fishing on coarse waters.

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    Everything Alan said. Also, white fish don't strike very hard and you may not feel it. Watch the end of your line where it drops below the surface and look for a slight twitch. Set the hook lightly. Their mouths are smaller than trout and more difficult to hook.
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    I can't help with the fishing part, but if you need a good recipe for a sauce for baked white fish, I'm your gal! I LOVE white fish. It's my second favorite fish after sea bass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno Prussakov
    ...with so many ABW-ers being/getting into fishing, we will soon have a good enough crowd to propose a Fishing forum of our own.
    That would be coooool!

    I have the utmost respect for anyone that can fly fish. I heard it's really hard and it's something that you need to learn from a fellow fly angler. Nobody around here fly fishes so I may never get the opportunity to learn

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    I can't help with the fishing part, but if you need a good recipe for a sauce for baked white fish, I'm your gal! I LOVE white fish. It's my second favorite fish after sea bass.
    Rhea-

    I would love to have this recipe. Any white fish that I have had wasn't very good. But, if you have a good recipe, I might try it again. Of course, the white fish I've eaten in Montana were pretty small and by the time you fillet them there wasn't much meat there.

    As for the flyfishiing advice, I am not as much as a catcher as a really bad caster Crossing my fingers that I'll be a good catcher someday too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_jones
    I always understood coarse fish to mean carp, chub, roach, rudd (??), and maybe pike, and possibly some more species. Is that what you mean?
    Yes, pretty much any freshwater fish that is not a salmonid.


    Quote Originally Posted by ALH - AmeritrustRx
    They probably have a huge white fish population in the river / lake. Wherever white fish are found, they multiply quickly. In the gold medal river waters in Colorado, we are told by the wildlife commission to kill them when we catch them to help control overpopulating.
    Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ALH - AmeritrustRx
    They love salmon eggs. I would suggest a size 18 or 20 hook small egg pattern. Try mellon, pink, orange (red). Fish them near the bottom and just tweak the rod a couple times before bringing your line up and re-casting.

    I've also caught them on hair's ear nymphs (size 20) pheasant tails, # 18 - 20. If the lake has a lot of them, you should do fine. They are a decent little fighter, and some people love to eat them. I don't like them in general, but smoked they are pretty good.
    Thank you for your advice, Alan. I've read about catching them on nymphs just yesterday. Also read that perch, for example, catches best on red color flies and nymphs... Interesting stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by erninator
    Everything Alan said. Also, white fish don't strike very hard and you may not feel it. Watch the end of your line where it drops below the surface and look for a slight twitch. Set the hook lightly. Their mouths are smaller than trout and more difficult to hook.
    Ok. Thanks.

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    Geno-

    Check to see if the fish are jumping and to see if there is a hatch going on as well. (My hubby is really good at catching flies to see what color and size there are.)

    Hatches are just starting out here on the Montana rivers... Spring is here
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    Laura, I'm writing this from memory so bear with me.

    You're going to bake your fish fillets in an oven-proof casserole dish. The dish should be shallow and not much bigger around than the fillets.

    The number of egg whites you need will depend on how many fillets you're making. Figure one egg white per fillet.

    Rub butter over the bottom and sides of the dish. Pre-heat the oven with the casserole dish in it to get it good and hot. Add another pat of butter to completely cover the bottom of the dish.

    Beat the egg whites very stiff. Fold in fresh lemon juice, dill and a smidge of powdered garlic. Sorry, I'm not good with measurements as I mostly cook by sight and smell.

    Take the casserole dish out of the oven and lay the fillets in it. Gently spoon the sauce over the top of the fillets, covering evenly. Bake until the fish is flakey.

    The best thing about whitefish is the texture. The taste is very mild and the sauce recipe is mild, too. It won't overwhelm the fish but I think it enhances it a lot.

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    Awesome Rhea...
    Will try this out soon
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    I have the perfect location for the first annual ABW fishing tournament.
    I have not, and probably will not, put photos of my camp on my fishing site. But I have a spot at the nicest place on Lake Fork. It has a huge pavillion with seating and cooking facilities for 50 or more.


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    I'm in Scott. Name the time and place

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    As long as as I am on the same continent with you (at the time of the tournament), Scott, I'll be there too!

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    Geno

    Don't forget your fishing license! You can pick one up at your local Post Office or buy it online.

    The fine for not having one is up to £2500 GBP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donk
    Don't forget your fishing license! You can pick one up at your local Post Office or buy it online.

    The fine for not having one is up to £2500 GBP
    I am aware.

    Bought one from the post office the day before yesterday (for trout and coarse).

    Thanks, mate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    I have the perfect location for the first annual ABW fishing tournament.
    That would rock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    I have the perfect location for the first annual ABW fishing tournament.
    I have not, and probably will not, put photos of my camp on my fishing site. But I have a spot at the nicest place on Lake Fork. It has a huge pavillion with seating and cooking facilities for 50 or more.
    Interesting idea!!

    Added: I'm bringing my video camera - lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_jones
    I always understood coarse fish to mean carp, chub, roach, rudd (??), and maybe pike, and possibly some more species. Is that what you mean?

    I've never heard of anyone fly fishing for coarse fish, but it doesn't mean you can't do it I guess! Part of fishing fun is the element of surprise.

    Nothing comes to mind really for fly fishing on coarse waters.
    Jonesy, me laddy,

    We do pike on flies every year at spinney and eleven mile resevoirs. We also do carp on the fly, as do many fly fishers. You can find many interesting articles on fly fishing coarse fish at fly fishing magazine. Pike are a blast on a fly rod; as are carp, even though I detest carp!! But hey, they can be a lot of fun on a fly rod.

    White fish are indeed in the "coarse" fish family, and are fun to catch. Just kill them when you catch them to assist in helping to curb over-population and destruction of the trout fisheries.

    We'll have to go pike fishing when I get back to Colorado and you will enjoy it immensely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erninator
    Everything Alan said. Also, white fish don't strike very hard and you may not feel it. Watch the end of your line where it drops below the surface and look for a slight twitch. Set the hook lightly. Their mouths are smaller than trout and more difficult to hook.
    What Earninator said.
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    We'll have to go pike fishing when I get back to Colorado and you will enjoy it immensely.
    Sure will. Swap stories & info. It's been a while since I last fished for Pike. They might do okay in the smoker!! Yum.

    If I remember, Pike like to switch on the bite, then switch right off, then on again. Maybe it was a local thing...amazing teeth too.

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