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    domain names selection questions for SEO experts
    As I look for the domain name for some new sites I'm thinking of, I have a couple of questions.

    How do the search engines relate to .biz instead of.com? Because I can find the right keyword in the former, but in the latter it's already taken.

    What about taking a keyword that is very popular and already taken as a domain, and adding a number afterwards? For example, money 12345.com? In other words, assuming it easily rememberable -- or is that memorable? -- is that a good way to help search engines know what the site is about? The alternatives might be a name that is less on target and longer, such as "save your money.com" or something like that.

    I've heard that a short key phrase for a domain name is OK if you hyphenate it. And that a phrase as one word does not help as much. So is this true, is save-your-money.com better than saveyourmoney.com, for example?

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    I dont know if I am really an "expert" but whatever. I read a lot and try things.

    .com .net .org and .edu are the best and most trusted by search engines and surfers looking at search results.

    I personally dont take anyhting else. Not worth my time. Black hat spammers buy .info becuase they sell for 99 cents. I would never touch one of those to build a site that I want to invest in. I expect the search engines to just knock those down if they arent already.

    The number thing is good if you can build a memorable brand and it looks good. Carinsurance123.com looks good but carinsurance3129756.com not so good.

    That hyphen information sounds old. That worked in 2000 but I would stay away from that now. no hyphens is better I think. One hyphen is ok I guess.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by andbeyond
    .com .net .org and .edu are the best and most trusted by search engines and surfers looking at search results.

    I personally dont take anyhting else. Not worth my time. Black hat spammers buy .info becuase they sell for 99 cents. I would never touch one of those to build a site that I want to invest in. I expect the search engines to just knock those down if they arent already.
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    Purely from a SEO point of view, none of the engines care what your TLD is.
    It's more important where you host your domain (ie if you want UK search results host in the UK), incoming links and standard SEO.

    From a purchase point of view people always like .com more.

    If you can, try and pick up an aged domain.

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    People naturally assume .com first in my experience, and will occasionally remember a .net or a .org (if you are an organization and not a profit business).

    There is a reason godaddy pushes the price down on .info and .biz domains all the time and tries to get you to sign up to them when you register a .com... they just aren't selling as well as finding a good .com name.

    IMESHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oziman
    Purely from a SEO point of view, none of the engines care what your TLD is.
    I disagree. I had a #1 spot in google on a search, and then some bozo registered the "trademarked store name + keyword", and within 2 days after registering, that site topped mine. the site was full of rubbish, but got top billing from the domain name alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newestuser
    I disagree. I had a #1 spot in google on a search, and then some bozo registered the "trademarked store name + keyword", and within 2 days after registering, that site topped mine. the site was full of rubbish, but got top billing from the domain name alone.
    Wow that is tough. What was your tld and what was theirs? Is this recently? Can you PM me with their url and page? I would like to look at it and their links. No need to send me yours if you want to be private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andbeyond
    Wow that is tough. What was your tld and what was theirs? Is this recently? Can you PM me with their url and page? I would like to look at it and their links. No need to send me yours if you want to be private.
    It was about a month ago, and I prefer not to say who. We told the merchant, and they were happy to have that site stop using the domain name, so we're back in top-billing again.

    It pays to be above-board. We have some great relationships with our merchants!

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    newestuser -

    this can happen on very specific long tail keywords, no doubt.
    A keyword helps in the seo score, but it's not the be all and end all by far.

    Fundamentally, the things that matter most in SEO are content, relevant links, age and authority. If you'd like to share privately what happened you can reach me via the pm box/email.

    My point to the OP was that .com, in the eyes of a Search Engine is the same as .info .biz .cc.. I'd rather a .cc domain (strictly from an SEO point of view - and not from a branding issue) that was older with good inbound links then a .com domain.

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    First off, I'm by no means an expert at anything, other than enjoying life...

    That said, there are a lot of variables on this one. As for .com being necessary to get page rank, if you have a top performing tag such as "make money" as your domain name - it doesn't matter much whether it's com, cc, net etc. CONTENT is also a biggie, a real biggie! It also doesn't matter much if the domain has a hyphen, such as make-money.cc. In practice, if you use some of your top performing KW's as domain names, you are off to a good start.

    If you can afford to retain a SEO specialist, I'd highly recommend it. Learning to ski or snowboard is a lot easier if you take lessons first. But if funds don't permit it, I'm sure some folks here can at least offer you some good advice. Good luck with your studies.
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    <Slightly off-topic rant>

    I feel like something is being missed here and I just want to point out. If we're talking about main keywords (the word widgets, for example) and not long tail keywords ("black and blue with red stripes widgets") then a domain with a keyword in it that is brand spanking new will not perform well or at all in the search results against an older, non keyword in domain name.

    A good example would be "cell phones". I have yet to see cellphones.com show up in the top 10 on any of the big 3. "Satellite tv", satellitetv.com never shows up.

    The key to good SEO (at least for Google and Yahoo.. who knows what they do over at microsoft), is authority. Your domain is trusted by the search engine, the incoming links are relevant and on topic, and the content is unique and beneficial to the user. Don't worry so much about the domain or the TLD if you just want to do SEO..
    </Slightly off-topic rant>

    God bless,
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    Keywords in your domain name is just one factor for ranking, but the SE's do take a look at it. As oziman pointed out though, there are other things that go into ranking.

    Personally, for me, keyword domains or highly memorable domains are best, only .com (or maybe .net, or .org). The other ones I don't think get penalized by SE's, but customers are less likely to trust them and less likely to type them in correctly.
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    They obviously do look at it... from another thread here, I saw this:
    do a google search for "theinternet" the page that comes up is theinternet.com. it says nothing about that in there, as it's just a banner ad for amazon. So obviously it must've had something about the domain name that had meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReallyBigGuy
    They obviously do look at it... from another thread here, I saw this:
    do a google search for "theinternet" the page that comes up is theinternet.com. it says nothing about that in there, as it's just a banner ad for amazon. So obviously it must've had something about the domain name that had meaning.
    theinternet is not a competitive keyword..
    search for satellite tv and see how satellitetv.com doesn't show up..

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