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    Honor among ABW members?
    Hi All,

    I just came across a Network that offers OPM services, who was bidding on almost all of the OPM names here on ABW on Google, including my own.

    I was perturbed by this. I thought, at the very least, there was honor among fellow ABW members.

    Am I wrong? Should I just think of this as normal competition?

    -Mike

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    Wow... not nice.
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    There's a thin line between "cut-throat" business practices... and slime

    You found the later Michael

    Wow! I g'd your name and I'm shocked at the paid result

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    Wow...REALLY not nice! I see mine shows up too when I google it.
    Last edited by Ron Bechdolt; June 11th, 2007 at 04:58 PM.

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    The one below it is better ron

    it's titled "i was scammed 37 times"

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    purveyors of porn and illegal casinos never change, they just like to dream about being legitimate...

    and i guess they think we're all idiots too.

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    I was shocked too Billy. I thought they had more class than that. Even though they aren't bidding on me... But I don't have a full forum so maybe they don't see me as targetable
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    Lite On The Do, Heavy On The Nuts Donuts's Avatar
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    let's have a pool guessing how long until "the rogue ppc guy who we've now instructed and firmly spanked" story emerges...

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    Andy's safe... but that's because he's sooooooooo big... no one wants to upset him

    I can hear him now: "Don't MAKE me send Emilio over there!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    let's have a pool guessing how long until "the rogue ppc guy who we've now instructed and firmly spanked" story emerges...
    Man we think alike sometimes. (emphasis on the sometimes )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Kay
    Andy's safe... but that's because he's sooooooooo big... no one wants to upset him

    I can hear him now: "Don't MAKE me send Emilio over there!"
    Yeah, I find that weird. It makes me think that they made a conscious decision of who to target, because he should have been in there.

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    I found two and one is our fraud detection merchant. They just lost our business. As for the network, in the words of Mr. T, "I pity the fool"! Our PPC guys are going to make things very hot for those clowns.

    Looks like they ran down the list on the Out Sourced Program Managers forum: http://forum.abestweb.com/forumdisplay.php?f=236

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    On the one hand I'm flattered...I've never been bid on before that I know of.

    On the other hand I personally and professionally have a problem with this.

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    While nothing surprises me anymore Michael, to me, this is the most offensive types of theft in the free enterprise world. I have had this happen to us with other business ventures in years past; and it included everything from knowing infringement of trademarks to duplication of products and services to which we gave our heart, soul and money to in order to build a successful brand.

    I am very sorry to hear that this is happening to you buddy. I feel your angst, frustration, hurt, the violation of your efforts, and your bitter disgust. Unfortunately, such things will always happen, and one's membership in a forum is not an automatic exemption from such practices. Keep your chin up and Suluta will be there when the dust settles hombre!!

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    Thanks Alan.

    I know affiliates must deal with this daily. But I can't ever see Anne bidding on Connie's name, or M Coley bidding on Billy K's domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Nunez
    Thanks Alan.

    I know affiliates must deal with this daily. But I can't ever see Anne bidding on Connie's name, or M Coley bidding on Billy K's domain.
    Exactly the point Michael. Honorable business practices are a choice. Most here, or elsewhere choose the high road. Besides, bidding Connie or BK's domains was just too darned expensive!!
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    It's happened. I've seen people bidding on their sites and even somebody involved in this business registering a http // www . wwwannessite . com

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    Okay, I'm confused. What's wrong with this practice?

    I don't see any PPC ads when I google for Michael's full name.

    Surprisingly, today I also don't see any PPC ads when I google my own name, though I've previously seen a full column of AdWords ads when I search for my name -- for the past several years. I thought it was clever, not objectionable. (And they were bidding enough that I couldn't get my own ad displayed for my own name without bidding $1 per click, which I certainly didn't bother to do.)

    But I do see a single PPC ad (for a lower-tier affiliate network) when I search for 7-Days' company name. (I got the same results for these 3 searches when I run them remotely on my remote server.)

    Why is this sleazy or inappropriate? If the ad were misleading, I could understand it, but why is it wrong to use a competing firm's name as a keyword to trigger an ad display?

    Am I missing something? The current ad isn't even using "keyword insertion" so that consumers would see their search phrase as the headline in the ad, which might mislead consumers.

    Or is the theory that we are such a friendly community here that we won't do "visible" things to compete with each other? (If so, should we all put each others' names into our negative-keyword lists? I certainly assume it would extend to our meta tags.)

    I do understand why someone would be upset if one of their own clients or vendors was engaging in this practice.

    If someone is searching for "Albertson's home delivery" then why shouldn't Safeway.com bid for a PPC ad to promote its competing service? If someone is searching for my name, why shouldn't a competing firm's ad be shown? Does it make a real difference if it's an individual name or a separate company name (if so, wouldn't that give me an advantage since I don't have a separate company name)?

    I hadn't really thought about doing this to promote my own professional services (though I suspect this thread is likely to inspire some bidding wars for some names that weren't being bid on before), but I wouldn't have expected this practice to be nearly as objectionable as others here are saying. I know that in client campaigns, I've included competitors' names and brands in the keywords lists, and I've seen many discussions referring to this practice by folks here on ABW.
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    Honor for most, yes. Some just don't give a damn or respect other people or competitors.

    You could make it really expensive for them

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    Mark try google searching the firm names, eg, 'Suluta' (i found a paid ad at time of this post that I would understand as being offensive to these folks)

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    If it was phrase searching and the name came up, that is one thing but bidding on just another company name is a practice I would not have expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Nunez
    I know affiliates must deal with this daily. But I can't ever see Anne bidding on Connie's name, or M Coley bidding on Billy K's domain.
    I was going to bid on EcomCity Mike's domain once, but decided I wanted a return on investment.

    Just joking by the way...

    Michael

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    Seems to me "conquesting" style bids would be very expensive. Not because of actual cost, but because usually this type of bidding is used to promote one brand over another. It is not a good way to acquire customers and their conversion will be horrendous, especially because referrals are key in our industry.
    And I know I would refer Michael over them.
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    Gary wrote: "Mark try google searching the firm names, eg, 'Suluta' (i found a paid ad at time of this post that I would understand as being offensive to these folks)"

    Again, I'm not seeing any paid ads for 'Suluta' when I search on Google from either my home office computer or my remote server. When I searched for 7-Days' full company name, I did see an ad for a lower-tier affiliate network promoting its affiliate-management services, which I assume is what folks were objecting about.

    And I'm also not arguing that this is a particularly effective form of advertising, nor am I suggesting that it doesn't "hurt a little" when someone else bids on your name. Maybe I'm less sensitive because I've had a wide range of self-perceived "competitors" bidding on my name for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Nunez
    Yeah, I find that weird. It makes me think that they made a conscious decision of who to target, because he should have been in there.
    Mr.B-Kay was on! We will bring the house of Cuban pain on them! And for you Michael, I'll do it for free!
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