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    How many publisher in SAS network?
    Hi, I heard that linkshare has 10 million publisher in their network ,
    does any body know the amount in SAS network , and the CJ network ?

    Other thing to share is I has found the following datat :

    advertiser amount : CJ 2078 linkshare : 470 SAS : 2786
    Alexa ranking : CJ 787 Linkshare: 657 SAS : 1136

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    I am not convinced that it has any relevance. It is what YOU do not how many others are doing something that counts.

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    I am impressived for the open-mind of SAS.
    However, what I am concerned is other new merchants` concern.

    Somebody said that they were on the top 3 . ( Somebody is from another network)
    I think they should prove it ,while I must confirm it.

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    Quality not quantity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0707
    Somebody said that they were on the top 3 . ( Somebody is from another network)
    I think they should prove it ,while I must confirm it.
    "Should"? Do you really think they should prove anything when they are openly being one of the most ethical, transparent and trustworthy networks on the face of the earth?

    Also, keep in mind that most seriously-minded affiliates would have affiliate accounts on all major affiliate networks (SaS included).

    Geno

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    I must apology for my poor English.

    I do agree that the publisher will join as much network as they can.
    However , every body must have a favorite.

    For your [/QUOTE]ethical, transparent and trustworthy[QUOTE], to some extent I agree. Such as the fee, the merchant list, the tracking etc.
    But if SAS do welcome new merchant to join , why the most impost date is not here?
    I , did not mean to access the private date of SAS , but for the exactness of my decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0707
    But if SAS do welcome new merchant to join , why the most impost date is not here?
    ...but why exactly do you think it to be "the most important date"?

    Geno

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    I believe figure more than others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno Prussakov
    Also, keep in mind that most seriously-minded affiliates would have affiliate accounts on all major affiliate networks (SaS included).

    Geno

    I think Geno makes a very valid point here. If you are serious about AM as a business, you will be a member of the major networks, in addition to some of the smaller "boutique" programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Morgan
    I am not convinced that it has any relevance. It is what YOU do not how many others are doing something that counts.
    Bingo.

    Recruiting affiliates and chosing a network are separate things.

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    ha ha , I would like a list of the "boutique" programs ~~~~

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    big0707, i was thinking you were completely oblivious, but that last "ha ha" post made me laugh - you're seeing more than i thought. plus you made me laugh! thanks. have a nice day!

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    any how , I view your guys feed back sincerely as my treasure . Thank you ! And have a good day !

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    There is one major group of affiliates that you'll find on all of the other major networks but not on ShareASale.com. Most would consider that absence to be a positive, however.

    Most major affiliates will work with all of the major networks. There are exceptions (I know a few people who only work with ShareASale or that refuse to work with certain other of the large networks), but you're not going to exclude many large (legitimate) affiliates with any choice of networks (the top 4 anyway).

    No matter what network you choose, you need to take charge of the recruiting. A network will not do anywhere near as good recruiting for you as you (or a good OPM) can. With most networks, you have to be concerned with the quality of the affiliates they recruit for you (see the first paragraph).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    big0707, i was thinking you were completely oblivious, but that last "ha ha" post made me laugh - you're seeing more than i thought. plus you made me laugh! thanks. have a nice day!

    Perhaps I missed something here Donuts & Big... (Which I am now finding out from another board member, that "Boutique" has a negative connotation here due to a specific program mentioned in another post)

    I was referring to "boutique" as specialized programs ...Like ourselves. We specialize in payday not a variety of Verticals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmunk
    Perhaps I missed something here Donuts & Big... (Which I am now finding out from another board member, that "Boutique" has a negative connotation here due to a specific program mentioned in another post)

    I was referring to "boutique" as specialized programs ...Like ourselves. We specialize in payday not a variety of Verticals.
    Chipmunk, I wasn't referring to anything specifically about you or LeadFlash regarding the word "boutique" and some other post or thread here at ABW. No specific issues here at all really, just a light hearted look at your suggestion to include small (boutique) networks in his search.

    This guy big0707, whoever he is, was clearly asking about the large networks and their size. I think his intended use of the information he sought was misguided, but suggesting a much smaller "network" (and I use the term loosely) might also suit his needs, in my view, would pull him further off the path he seeks. It's cool with me that you injected the suggestion, you've got legit reasons for you to do that, but I think it was off base for what he was seeking. I thought he might fall for it, since he seemed a little misguided in the first place. And by "fall for it", I don't mean anything sneaky or whatever, I mean he seemed the type to be easily swayed / sold. He caught himself, stayed on course (looking for biggest networks), and I saw humor in it. I said I thought he was oblivious and somehow you thought there might be an issue about you in there somewhere - if someone were to take offense, it should be him for me offhandedly calling him oblivious.

    So if you think you see something, it's me laughing that perhaps he's not as clueless as I thought he was. Second, a distant second, seeing you trying to get smaller networks (you) on his agenda was funny to me - if he seeks "mass", by picking the biggest networks, clearly, that's not LeadFlash. And since you said you specialize in payday loans and not other verticals, why not ask prospective targets what they sell / market instead... I doubt this guy is in your vertical. I am also wondering if you'd want him to be - my internal warning lights (not the bells and sirens, just the little warning lights) light up when I read his posts - I think you need to qualify better.

    From your AboutUs page:
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    Located in Delray Beach, FL, LeadFlash is a performance based advertising network that puts our affiliate publishers first. Our experience and understanding across various financial industries, such as cash advance loans, credit repair and debt consolidation, have helped us to recognize the highest converting offers providing publishers with the maximum potential revenue. For advertisers, LeadFlash will solve your customer acquisition needs while avoiding the increasing costs of both traditional and new media. With LeadFlash you are now able to grow your business at a fixed cost, lowering your advertising expenses and increasing your customer base. We operate the highest quality network of lead generating websites and can customize a solution that fills your specific needs.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But your home page's title tag says:
    "The Best Affiliate Marketing Network"

    I see humor in that too. You're not an affiliate marketing network, like the ones big0707 mentioned are. You're a lead gen network specializing in consumer financial niches. Read your AboutUs page - it's clear you're not CJ or SAS or "The Best Affiliate Marketing Network", you're LeadFlash.

    Now, nobody here should see anything I've said here as "outing" you or something. Being a lead gen network specializing in consumer financial niches is perfectly fine and legit. I am not criticizing who you are, or what you do, here. Besides seeing humor in his misguided search for "large" numbers and proof, I also see humor in a somewhat inexperienced salesperson trying to be / position as something they are not and struggling to find their identity.

    You'll get much further being you.

    Note: If you want to assert you were just trying to help him and that by boutique you never meant anything like LeadFlash at all, cuz LeadFlash is "The Best Affiliate Marketing Network", not a boutique network, then I take it all back, especially the distant second part. :-)

    Look forward to seeing you at Affiliate Summitt Chipmunk - I'll buy you a beer and will be honestly eager to hear how great things are going for you at LeadFlash.

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    SAS has 217,300+ affiliates

    It' is a meaningless number.

    How many will be interested in a merchants program and WORK it will be discovered by the merchant joining SAS.

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    Donuts,

    Thanks for your reply … Like you and others here we are all here to educate and learn!

    ABW is a community based on learning and teaching. I feel my personal and work experience can help educate other members on ABW, just as I can learn from them.

    My comment to Geno's post was simply that of an educational nature and not of a sales related nature, as it seems it has been interpreted as.

    I Look forward to catching up …and having a beer with you (well shots of Red Death -hate beer) at the show in Miami.

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    Does anybody else remember the BeFree/Geocities deal, back in late 1998 or early 1999? GeoCities signed a deal with BeFree, so that merchants could elect to allow any of the zillions of GeoCities webmasters to join their affiliate program. (There was a very hefty price tag, something like $10,000 per month paid by merchant to GeoCities.) Within 90 days, one of my former clients had enrolled 100,000 GeoCities affiliates. Wow -- 100,000 affiliates! Wow! With that many affiliates, there must have been a huge number of sales, right? Wrong.

    100,000 affiliates. One sale. $9.99. Insanity.


    The number of affiliates in a network is not important. All of the affiliate networks have "lots and lots of affiliates," whether you're looking at CJ, LS, SAS, ShareResults, ClixGalore, Performics, Kolimbo, etc. etc. etc. -- I'd be surprised if any of these firms had fewer than 250,000 enrolled affiliates.

    But 95% of those affiliates have never generated a single transaction, and I suspect that smaller networks have an even higher percentage of zero-transaction affiliates.

    IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY AFFILIATES ARE IN THE NETWORK -- very few merchants will ever find meaningful affiliates "through the network." To be successful, the merchant must recruit and manage affiliates actively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipmunk
    Donuts,

    Thanks for your reply … Like you and others here we are all here to educate and learn!
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    I love this place ! lol
    Infact I did make some comparison amount LS SAS Performics .
    My first step was to register as a publisher to review their system and get to know how they promote the advertiser.
    My second step was to contact their sales to get more info.

    on my first step , I thought the merchant amount would tell me which was the best choice. SAS won my eyes ! over 2000 merchant!
    But after join here , I foundd SAS had a problem with the inactivated merchant , So I went to alexa.com , then new winner gave birth , LS , though it only has 480 merchants , but it was rank much higher than SAS. Then before a decision, I went to performics to take a look .WOW, only 232 merchant , but lots of quality merchants! Their sale told me that they had an exclusive enrollment against CJ, but not applicable for SAS.And" We are on the top three"
    So I went here to figure it out.

    Then I got an new answer, the biggest network was not equal to the most appropriate network for me.
    Any my trouble keep poping up , LS tell me if I did not have a sever in US , CA , UK , they would not server me ~~~~~~~

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0707
    I foundd SAS had a problem with the inactivated merchant , So I went to alexa.com , then new winner gave birth , LS , though it only has 480 merchants , but it was rank much higher than SAS. Then before a decision, I went to performics to take a look .WOW, only 232 merchant , but lots of quality merchants! Their sale told me that they had an exclusive enrollment against CJ, but not applicable for SAS.And" We are on the top three"
    So I went here to figure it out.

    Then I got an new answer, the biggest network was not equal to the most appropriate network for me.
    Any my trouble keep poping up , LS tell me if I did not have a sever in US , CA , UK , they would not server me ~~~~~~~
    I really have to question this!

    WTF does LS's alexa ranking have to do with your program, affiliates joining it or for that matter the success of your program? Do you know how many affiliates hate LS and CJ? Obviously you can see how many love SaS. The following and the low entry and non-exclusive nature should make SaS the clear winner and a no brainer. But it's not?

    You have to realize that most of these networks your analyzing won't even accept you, not just because your servers aren't in the US, but for a wide variety of other reasons. I suggest you get your program rolling, then once you've proven you've got something sellable and a program that makes sense you can get fancy and look around if you feel you need to, because at the moment your loosing money and over ANALyzing all of this and incorrectly.
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    Haiko, you are, of course, spot on.

    Hahaha, and this thread is still tickling me... the advice here is free and is excellent, but not being taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    because at the moment your loosing money and over ANALyzing all of this and incorrectly.
    I think affiliate need triple cooperation and vision.
    We have used small one , like zanox, because it has sale representative in China , then we were accepted by CJ.
    The former experience told me that more info and more communication would help you run the program , at least avoid the fetal error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    Haiko, you are, of course, spot on.

    Hahaha, and this thread is still tickling me... the advice here is free and is excellent, but not being taken.
    Yup... as evidenced in the last post...
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    I used Google search to find some info .
    and finally found the the following info :
    Linkshare announced there were 10 million in its network
    ( Search linkshare fee )
    SAS announced there were 2 million in its network :
    ( advanced search formatdf site: shareasale.com)

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