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    Hi everyone,

    I posted this message in the Affiliate Managers forum, but I'd like to hear from the affiliate community as to what you make of this.

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    I am interested in everyone's feedback on this issue.

    In the Commission Junction forum, there is a thread that states that Kazaa has introduced a product (Kazaa Lite) that does not allow a user to access Linkshare & CJ links.

    My understanding of it (based on the posts) is that Kazaa has Linkshare & CJ listed in the 'host file' that is part of Kazaa Lite. Apparently the product prevents access to links that run through Linkshare & CJ.

    Can anyone verify this?

    If this is the case, is this a malicious, direct, targeted attack on these two networks, and indirectly on all of us as merchants of these two networks?

    There are over 100 million downloads of Kazaa out there. This seems to be a very big problem.

    I hope I am misunderstanding the situation here.

    Please comment.
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    If this is correct, then it could affect all Linkshare and CJ affiliates.

    Let me know what you think.

    Thanks,
    Michael

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    See it here : http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&...281#4836071281

    My personal comment: " If you lay down with dogs, you rise up with fleas"

    IF A
    "Publisher may notify an End-User once that End-User has arrived at the Advertiser's Web site of an opportunity to utilize technology employed by that Publisher and obtain the End-User's consent via affirmative action upon each occurrence to proceed with the operation of such technology"
    (excerpt from Code Of Conduct)

    SO THEY CAN ALSO BLOCK THE ADS.

    It may even be a good thing in parasite-fighting, AS IT STARTS TO HURT NETWORKS AND MERCHANTS, AS WELL!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    In the Commission Junction forum, there is a thread that states that Kazaa has introduced a product (Kazaa Lite) that does not allow a user to access Linkshare & CJ links.

    My understanding of it (based on the posts) is that Kazaa has Linkshare & CJ listed in the 'host file' that is part of Kazaa Lite. Apparently the product prevents access to links that run through Linkshare & CJ.

    Can anyone verify this?

    I hope I am misunderstanding the situation here.

    Please comment.
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    If this is correct, then it could affect all Linkshare and CJ affiliates.

    Let me know what you think.

    Thanks,
    Michael
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hi Michael

    I really don`t know whats happening to other, but I know what happend to me.

    I had installed kazzalite before i started with this affiliate thing. It was lots of banners I could not see. Some banners I could see but not CJ/LS banner and some other. I didn`t know why and i did`t care.

    When I started to make affilliate sites i became a problem. I could`t see the banner on my pages when I created them!!! It was really frustating to guess how my pages appeared for the customers.

    Then I installed an another browser (Opera) vips, there it was. But it was not funny at all. Then I read here at ABW about the host file. I removed them and since then it all has worked like it shall do in my explorer as well.

    We better fight back. If someone can make a script who block parathieves, I will be the first to use it. Or is there of some reason not possible to do this? Why?

    Yngvar

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    SamBay is oh so correct in his observation. The online advertising industry has so abused the consumers with their spamm-popups -flash Ads and adwarez and gorrila marketing strategy they push their targets into Ad Blockers -cookie cutters and neutered hacked P2P applications.

    The DMA direct marketing association, online and off, truly believes your mail box, browser window ,desktop and e-mail account belong to their members. To them the Ad is the content. So until a single network steps up to the plate and nixes pure play advertising from AD brokers they and their merchants will all suffer. Advertisers add no real value to the pay per perfomance industry since they only seek traffic. Sales are incidental accidents. Advertising AM's will find your parasite buddies have found a way to beat your PPA plans. That sucking sound you hear is coming from a ROI leak in your profit pump. Fix it!

    Webmaster Mike

    "Anyone can make a dollar, it is when you make sense that it starts to add up."...does your eBiz plan make sense?

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    KazaaLite version 1.7.2 does not do this. I don't see any links being blocked. I don't know about the new version 2.00 or 2.02 If you're using KazaaLite because it's spyware and adware free be careful logging in because if there is a new version out, there will be a popup asking you to upgrade and if you click the upgrade button you will upgrade to the regular version of kazaa. If you have kazaalite and want the new version you have to go to the kazaalite to get it. I just tested this on my gf's broken down comptuer. But version 1.7.2 doesn't interfere with any ads.

    Refuse To Lose - Chuck D

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    Michael,
    I just sent you an email.

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    No e-mail yet but I might not be the right Mike. There's more of us in here than you can shake a stick at.

    Webmaster Mike

    "Anyone can make a dollar, it is when you make sense that it starts to add up."...does your eBiz plan make sense?

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    Not you Webmaster Mike. The email was to Michael/Bare Necessities that started the thread.

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    This is a pretty interesting situation.

    Not exactly pretty for affiliates in the short term, but the possibility that a parasiteware peddler is blocking American corporations from doing business leads to the possibility that eventually there will be some big money and big voices joined in the fight.

    The first step for CJ, LS, and their parasite loving merchants should be to clear themselves of their own pet parasites - sort of clean house before asking the feds for assistance.

    On the other hand, CJ's investors have seemingly been willing to live with a high degree of leakage, so maybe they will just let it ride until someone delelops a super-parasite that can negate KazzaaLite.

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    Everyone get your facts straight.

    Kazaa Lite is NOT an official release from the kazaa scumware people. It is a hacked version by a third party which has the spyware/adware removed. Some versions also, in an attempt to block ads, block CJ/qwksrv and linkshare/linksynergy.

    I'm not commenting about the right or wrong of any of this, but, make sure to have the facts straight...

    I'm sure the Kazaa people would love to see Kazaa Lite go away as much as we'd like to see BOTH go away.

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    It is kinda wild to see Sony Music Direct, at LS, getting blocked from showing any of the affiliate Ads to the KaZZaa lite audience of consumers. Wonder if the Lite versions of the other P2P wanks have similar problems.

    Interesting side note. I spent 2 hours today trying to help a neighbor fix is computer which couldn't connect to the Net via DirectTV dls. Aside from it having everyknown version of P2P adwarez I got rid of with a CDRW copy Ad-aware, I had to give up and I'm good at that stuff. Tech support # kept rining busy.

    Now I find this trying to research the trouble from their web site.

    Dear DIRECTV Broadband Customer,

    We have some difficult news to share. With the dramatic change in the capital markets and the significant shift in the telecom operating environment, DIRECTV Broadband can no longer stand as an independent business.

    It is our sincere regret to inform you that DIRECTV Broadband will discontinue operations. DIRECTV Broadband’s network will be operational for a minimum of 30 days. We are working with our last-mile carriers to determine alternatives for your broadband service.

    We know you have many questions. The best way to keep up-to-date is to refer to www.directvdsl.com . We’ll keep this site current with the latest information on your account, billing issues and next steps.

    If you are a DIRECTV subscriber, your satellite television service will not be disrupted in any way. Please do not call DIRECTV customer service regarding your DIRECTV DSL high-speed Internet service, as they will not be able to help you.

    Anyone get paid any lead fees from these goners?

    Webmaster Mike

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    Is it kazaalite.com?
    I got this file from kazaalite.com, loads of popups and a I thought I saw a gator driveby.

    kazaalite Host file v1.29:

    # localhost: Needs to stay like this to work
    127.0.0.1 localhost

    # KaZaA related
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    CJ is respond to this is: "If you install crap in your computer, that's what happes".

    Somehow it's funny to me.

    While I'm screwed either way, I'd prefer that my affiliate link being BLOCKED by KazaaLite, than REPLACED by eBates'.

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    "Ever mind the law of three.
    What you send forth comes back to Thee."

    Are you listening, CJ?

    The Wolf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Cooperate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your feelings. Leave your mark.

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    KazaaLite, as was previously mentioned, is an unauthorized(?) hacked version of Kazaa. They include a hosts file that does not specifically single out CJ and linkshare. Their hosts file includes basically any known "ad server", cookie profiler (doubleclick et al) so all ads served from anyone listed in this hosts file is blocked.

    You might say it is the ultimate ad blocker.

    I am also no so certain it truly affects the majorty of affiliates. With computers so cheap these days, I'd estimate that 60% or more of the people installing this program are actually the only ones who use their computer, and many of them are most likely teenagers. Most of the folks using programs such as these are obviously unwilling to pay for anything, do not wish to view advertising, etc. So, I have to ask myself, do the people using these copyright stealing programs really mean anything to me as a marketer?

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    Robert those teenagers and even adults with credit cards who got tempted over the years to download Napster -Ezula -Grokster -KaZZaa -Morpheuus -LimeWire number in the hundreds of millions. Many un-install the apps or switch to other P2P sources including the hacked Ad free versions. Problem is the hidden payloads left behind or the driveby installs of new theftware causing these home & office systems still functioning to steal or negate our commissions.

    I have never made a office computer system service call this last year where I didn't find one or more parasitic/spywarez programs on every box. Some comes from hiddendownloads on something as harmless as accepting a greeting card or a realaudio plugin for listening to a local radio show. So finding a non-infected system is more or the exception than the rule.

    The sleezeballs have devised ways to make sure their damn theftware/spyware get a chance to do installs knowing no one but us reads the EULA. If little Billy has access to Grandmas system you can bet shes infected too.

    Pull the plug on all network autofeeds of "incent" offers and the theftwarez folks cease to exist. This is the one fact/solution that the networks would like to fry Webmaster Mike for bring to the forefront. Anything less would mean thievery is condoned and enforcement would parallel the governments efforts to stop drugs from being sold.

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    Hi,
    Kazaalite is a hacked version of Kazaa without all negative ads from Kazaa. It comes from Russia and has an accelleartor included which you not must load for use of kazaalite. This accelerator produces a "Hostfile" in the Windows directory, where all urls you ever visited are listed with its ip address and its www address. If you did not set up the accellerator correctly all webaddresses that are listed there poit to local host ( 127.1.1.1). That means if you wisit cj.com and cj.com is listed there with ip 127.1.1.1 then you can not get access to cj.com or even to banner ads or else. You can solve that problem by editing the "Hostfile" or by deleting it. If you delete it, the accellerator utility can not be used. My sons use kazaalite sice years and I found no influence on my computer after haveing deleted this " Hostfile".

    carneol

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    Mike,

    I absolutely understand your point and certainly understand the inherent problems associated with the bundled downloads.

    My point was that with KazaaLite, it almost epitomizes what is happening in other sectors of the "ad market". That is, due to the overly-aggressive marketing and geo-targeting happening online, we're seeing more and more applications being developed that address the problem of the aggressive advertising.

    If you look at the last year or so, we have spyware removers, ad blockers, popup blockers, etc.

    Let me be clear, it is the AD NETWORKS allowing this to happen. Ifthe networks stood up and said, hey, wait a minute... we do not want our name associated with multiple popups/unders, we don't want to be associated with stuff that watches where you surf to give you popups as often as possible, etc.

    If the various ad networks had some kahunas among them, and an enforceable policy equally placed upon all participants, its very likely we would not even be discussing why people/programmers are creating ways to block all of it, or while other more ethically challenged programmers are creating ways to exploit it.

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    Robert,
    kazaalite is not a bundled download, and has nothing to do with kazaa. It is just the oposite of kazaa, because it was hacked, for the reason to exclude the bundled softwares.
    carneol

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    My exact point Robert for over a year. The further the pay-per-performance industry can distance itself from the Gorrilla marketers stinking up the online Ad industry the better. All thievery and growth of consumer acceptance of anti-Ad programs comes from the lazy wanks in advertising. To them super glueing a store flyer to your windshield at the mall is effective advertising.

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    carneol, I know Kazzalite is an independant app. I was speaking to the fact that KazaaLite is a hacked version because some folks hated the all the bundled crap that came with Kazaa.

    The bundled crap has raised the bar on over-agressive advertising and people are just getting fed up with it.

    The advertisers themselves, or the networks even, are essentially supporting all these bundled aggressive applications because they provide the revenue stream.

    KazaaLite programmers include the hosts file that blocks all known profiling cookies, ad serving technology or providers, etc just because everyone is sick of seeeing advertisements, especially the over-agressive ones.

    I was merely trying to state that KazaaLite's inclusion of the hosts file was a direct result of everyone just getting sick to death of all the agressive advertising online and certainly sick of all the bundled garbage with the other p2p apps.

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