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    Can anyone recommend a SEO company?
    One shortcut, easy way to get good ranking is by having SEO expert optimize our website. And I'm looking for a good, one with reasonable price. Can anyone give me any recommendation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steele
    I would question an SEO company that doesn't rank up high in the Search Engines themselves. Also whose own name in google shows using a sig line here at abestweb as their best ranks.

    (changed the URL to protect the SpAmMy)

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    The best recommendation I have is do it yourself.
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    A firms Google rank for SEO will tend to cost you money!

    http://www.bruceclay.com/design/rates.htm
    $800 a page

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    Quote Originally Posted by asuka
    Can anyone give me any recommendation?
    Sure. Shoot me an e-mail at info /at/ amnavigator.com and I will refer a couple good SEO firms to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asuka
    One shortcut, easy way to get good ranking is by having SEO expert optimize our website. And I'm looking for a good, one with reasonable price. Can anyone give me any recommendation?
    Your statement above could indicate that you are looking for too much too quick. Good long term SE rankings come from good, long term SEO practices. The quick way often leads unsuspecting site owners into problems like bans and penalties. The solid way costs money and takes time, and then takes an ongoing long term consistent effort. If you are patient, and you can afford to have someone do it right, then take your time and find a credible SEO.

    If you can't afford the premium price good SEO's charge, then hit the books, learn how to do it yourself, and then take it a step at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nakedgamer
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    FYI, markymark is a quality SEO specialist, known by many of the "old-timers" here at ABW.

    You might want to look back at quality and quantity of his posts here before you throw out smartass comments like that.
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    "I would question an SEO company that doesn't rank up high in the Search Engines themselves."

    I said the same thing a long time ago but MarkyMark straightened me out on that one. What's important is how your clients rank and a lot of his business is word of mouth and he's very good at what he does, used to be a moderator here. He knows his stuff.

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    Plus, ranking high for SEO means flying smack bang in the middle of the radar zone. ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz
    Plus, ranking high for SEO means flying smack bang in the middle of the radar zone. ;-)
    Exactly. It's almost like asking for close scrutiny. Besides, there *could* be some who have ranked for the search terms that, FWIW, IMHO know a helluva lot less than some of the garden variety affiliate marketers around who don't even offer services.

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    To be honest I have never ranked highly for SEO terms. I had big clients back in the last internet boom and was going to college fulltime. I never had real time to mess with my site.

    "SEO" is a nightmare term that takes tons of resources. Honestly I would pick something easier and more lucrative always. Hell "real estate" or "jewelry" are easier and have better customers.

    Plus I have always been long tail.

    Having said that I just bought an established domain and have plans for ranking highly for "SEO" through viral methods.

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    Do It Yourself and save time, money and hair.

    Most SEO firms aren't worth their weight in cotton balls.

    Sorry to offend some.

    SEO is a long and arduous task that involves patience.

    Do some research on Meta Tags and how to use them properly.

    Header Tags.

    Keyword placement.

    How to properly name your pages ( URLs )

    Design for Google and the rest will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemodelingGuy
    Most SEO firms aren't worth their weight in cotton balls.

    Sorry to offend some.
    That shouldn't offend anyone. Good SEO firms will happily tell you that most are crap
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    check the bbb.org for whoever you pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemodelingGuy
    SEO is a long and arduous task that involves patience.
    I dont want to start a flame war, as I think most advertising firms (online and offline) sell pages and maintenance that is easy to do but not effective, but I have to disagree with that statement.

    SEO takes a long time if you dont know what you are doing, havent seen it done before, and dont know the options of doing it. If I am paid enough to spend the time necesary things can happen within a month, a little longer for google. Some of that Google Sandbox stuff is a myth that can be worked around.

    I have had brand new domains ranking first place for high traffic terms when the site was still in beta and wasnt finished. I got it in a search engine to "test" my page and boom it was first place and second place. People were buying too and the site looked like crap. My graphics werent dont yet...

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    Since bad SEO can get your site banned or put at the end of the listings, its important to research the various SEO methods, weigh your tolerance of risk, and demand that the SEO you hire- lets you know how they will "promote" your site. JMO

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    I have had brand new domains ranking first place for high traffic terms when the site was still in beta and wasnt finished. I got it in a search engine to "test" my page and boom it was first place and second place. People were buying too and the site looked like crap.
    Boom with how many IBLs, and which engine, Google?

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    Just a reminder folks -
    you get what you pay for.

    Always ask yourself this question about any SEO consultancy - if they're so good at SEO, why don't they do it first and foremost for themselves. Aaron Wall (of SEOBook), Kris Jones (of PepperJam, one of the biggest consultancies out there), and almost all of the big, competent names in SEO do their own sites first and foremost and then, and only then, take on clients.

    Want to know how good an SEO firm really is? Ask them to show results that are working in the SERPS - not for the company name (i.e. "Big Bob's Tennis Racket Store in Maryland" which this post will rank for in a couple of days, btw) but for a major keyword in the niche (following the previous example - "Tennis rackets" or "tennis shoes").

    If they can't show anything competent, run. There's too much lack of knowledge on the side of clients, and too many Fly By Night shops willing to take advantage of them in this industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    Boom with how many IBLs, and which engine, Google?
    Basically with no or few inbound links,maybe something from my SEO site naming my "client" site, and the search engine was MSN. Google is harder to win at quickly. I was number one for a variety of reasons that I knew about and was capitalizing on weaknesses of MSN and my competitors.

    I like how the SEO career path has started to mirror lawyers in the amount of disdain and lack of trust they get. Here is a link to some SEO jokes. Most of them are like lawyer jokes though.

    http://www.stuntdubl.com/2006/03/24/...rs-its-a-joke/

    But I try to take SEO like any science, if you want to know it you have to test it. And test a lot. And review the testing. Just because on one site it took a lot of time doesnt mean it always does. That is just not scientific. If you test a hundred or a thousand sites and it always takes a year to get rankings and you are following the best practices then you might be on to something.

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    no or few inbound links,maybe something from my SEO site naming my "client" site
    Might work with MSN right off - but give them a bit of time.

    But I try to take SEO like any science
    IR is a science; SEO is an art. You can't scientifically hit a moving target.

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    IR is a science; SEO is an art. You can't scientifically hit a moving target.
    So what is IR, maybe I am anacronym deficient?

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    When you hire an outside SEO firm they might strengthen your position for a while but SEO is an ongoing process. The algorithms change regularly, your competitors (at least the good ones) continue to build on their existing foundations, some practices that work for a while don't matter as much.

    The best SEO out there is to write relevant content on a specific subject, share content with other relevant sites and get links from other sites deemed relevant to your overall content.

    You know your business better than anyone and should be the one writing that content. If you don't know your business good enough to write it you sure can't tell and SEO what to write about. They will focus on a few targeted keywords that might or might not be user friendly.

    Finally, do some research to find low hanging fruit. The broadest terms seldomly convert very strongly. You get lots of tire kickers. Get down to the lowest common denominators your customers search for and write about that for them in a helpful way. You will be surprised at how high conversions can be.

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    Interesting!
    Quote Originally Posted by oziman
    Always ask yourself this question about any SEO consultancy - if they're so good at SEO, why don't they do it first and foremost for themselves.....
    uh... because they're too busy working on their clients sites?
    Guess I did it backwards... I got the clients first, kept them happy by getting results, they told their associates, and I haven't had to advertise for a couple of years. Never got around to doing much promotion for my site -- too busy working.

    My site gets a measly 70 unique visitors a day and generates NO sales and I don't care because I get all the work I can handle through word of mouth. (I HATE turning away business, but I admit it's a great problem to have).
    I do rank #2 on Google and MSN for my name, but that's not too hard.

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    Couldn't agree more!
    Quote Originally Posted by oziman
    Want to know how good an SEO firm really is? Ask them to show results that are working in the SERPS - not for the company name....
    I have included real sites with real phrases in my intro letters to referrals for years. Otherwise, how's the prospective client to believe you can do what you say?

    I'm sure their are other web promoters who do a better job than me, but my clients and I are both happy. Not trying to build a company, just wanted to work at home -- and I love it.

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