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    Dogfighting and blogging ethics
    Most of you know I'm a big softie for puppies. This whole Michael Vick thing has me absolutely disgusted and I want to do something to help.

    I started researching what it would take to start a small fund that would distribute rewards leading to the arrest of dog fighters, and while I was doing so I found out that some fighting pit breeders and fighters (aka 'dogmen') have cajones of steel when it comes to posting on the web. I spent just an hour researching last night and found sites that post win/loss records, "Fallen" animal tributes, shopping sites that feature "breaking sticks" (used to pull your dog off another dog when it's on a bite), guides to "game testing" your dog (evaluating how well it fights other dogs), extensive pedigrees containing MULTIPLE instances of inbreeding, lists of illegal substances they're pumping in to these dogs...it's disgusting.

    I was thinking about publishing a list of these sites and distributing it to some animal rights groups, in the hopes that their members would contact either the site owner or the hosting company to put these buttheads out of business.

    As long as I'm careful and only state that these sites contain verbiage, equipment, pictures etc that are known to be associated with felonious animal abuse, does anyone see anything ethically wrong with that approach?
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    I don't think there's any ethically wrong with that. I have a soft spot for dogs too and these dog fighting and abuse should be stopped. You'll be doing these animal rights group a favor by publishing the list, I'm sure they'll put in the effort to stop these guys.

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    You go Joe!

    I'm all for doing what we can to stop this horrific abuse of animals. These people need to be put in prison and the key thrown away! Maybe locked up with the animals they have trained to be so vicious and then see how tough they are without their sticks and other defensive toys.

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    Can I post a link about this Michael Vick situation?

    How it is legal to host that type of information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplistechs
    Can I post a link about this Michael Vick situation?

    How it is legal to host that type of information?
    It's positioned as "historical" or "hypothetical" information, and there are weak disclaimers on the site...like this: http://www.gamedogs.com/

    As another example, this guy posts his win/loss records, and refers to his males as "gladiators":
    http://www.geocities.com/chiliboysgamedogs/main.html

    If you click on one of the "gladiators" you'll see win loss records (look for "2xw" or "1xlg" type stuff) and inbreeding all over the pedigree. The company hosting the pedigree data also has fighting dog information ALL OVER it. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...?dog_id=103239

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeachBDM
    You go Joe!

    These people need to be put in prison and the key thrown away! Maybe locked up with the animals they have trained to be so vicious and then see how tough they are without their sticks and other defensive toys. Sandee
    Another option, upon conviction they could be shipped to a "sensitivity training" camp where they are prepared for their upcoming "Last Turd Standing" competition. The Coliseum in L.A. could easily be transformed into a Roman game arena. Entry fee would be $25 a head and you must dress in an authentic Toga (some of us probably still have ours from college days) The $25 head charge goes to animal shelters and animal protection organizations.

    The competition would be a round robin elimination (literally) and on the final day, four remaining "finalists" enter the "Oblivion Round" where only one survivor is crowned champ.

    The champ is awarded a handsome plaque, and a 10' x 10' cage. S/he is covered with raw burger, and escorted into the cage, occupied by 6 trained killer Pits who have not eaten in two days. The champ is armed with his/her ego and "I'm bad" attitude. The winner gets to keep the steaks!
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    Man that is just $&*@ Up!

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    There are some sick SOBs out there, that much is certain. Absolutely horrific.

    There is nothing ethically wrong with sharing public information. These losers have put up illegal information on the public realm - making hosting companies aware of these abuses, as well as informing advocacy groups of their existence, is respectable IMHO.

    Think of it this way: if you ran across a site that listed the victims of a child molester, would you not inform the authorities? Go after these SOBs!
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    I second that Alan! What a great idea expansion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbsturg
    There are some sick SOBs out there, that much is certain. Absolutely horrific.

    There is nothing ethically wrong with sharing public information. These losers have put up illegal information on the public realm - making hosting companies aware of these abuses, as well as informing advocacy groups of their existence, is respectable IMHO.

    Think of it this way: if you ran across a site that listed the victims of a child molester, would you not inform the authorities? Go after these SOBs!
    This is good perspective. Thank you!
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    Make sure that if any of you POST links anywhere that they are NOT hotlinked, no sense sending any of the bad sites backlinks....
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    Lox I'm no SEO pro, but wouldn't backlinking them be good in this case? I had to search goofy slang terms for 45 minutes to find these guys...maybe more exposure is EXACTLY what they need!
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    You would be sending both traffic that WANTS to find them as well as those that are opposed to them. I wouldn't give them backlinks. I would have the information available to those that want it, but they have to cut and paste it into their browsers. I could be wrong, but that is how I would do it.
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    I support this project as well. Just remember who you're dealing with. Did you hear Mike F on the Jim Rome show yesterday?
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    Joe, go for it. Animal rights groups and the authorities could do with a copy.

    These guys could do with some time in a cage with a few bigger, meaner thugs. Might even be able to tie it to illegal gambling and send 'em away for a that much longer.
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    Ernie could do a "hall of shame" and check off those that you get removed from the web.
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    Keep in mind that you are dealing with the scum of the earth and take all necessary precautions. It's not a lot different than dealing with drug dealers who will stop at nothing to "protect" their lifestyle and territory.

    I would like to see something exactly like what you are proposing - maybe if you work with the Animal Rights groups from the get-go, your individual security might be better protected. You could be the brains, creativity and work behind "their" project to find and expose.

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    If you need any hosting for this project, stop by me, Joe. I will happily give you space on one of my VPSes as my small contribution towards the good cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loxly
    Ernie could do a "hall of shame" and check off those that you get removed from the web.
    You got it! It was actually your idea Lox, so Thanks!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoore61103
    Keep in mind that you are dealing with the scum of the earth and take all necessary precautions. It's not a lot different than dealing with drug dealers who will stop at nothing to "protect" their lifestyle and territory.

    I would like to see something exactly like what you are proposing - maybe if you work with the Animal Rights groups from the get-go, your individual security might be better protected. You could be the brains, creativity and work behind "their" project to find and expose.
    Thanks for the suggestions. I've already contacted SPCA about just this issue!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geno Prussakov
    If you need any hosting for this project, stop by me, Joe. I will happily give you space on one of my VPSes as my small contribution towards the good cause.

    I dogs.

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    Thanks Geno!
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    What should be done is put up about 30,000 pages on the web and overtake the bad guys for their own keywords. No traffic=no business.

    First thing is the news sites are probably already helping with that one

    Anyone with a pet forum or any similiar should already be asking for post about this topic anyway. Heck if you don't have a pet forum (or blog) you can start the subject anyway.

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    I'd like to take credit for getting you going on this Joe, but it wasn't all my idea I just passed it along.

    Good point nyfalcon, some pet sites and dog sites should have some posts asap. Will get on that and get after some other bloggers to get going also.
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    I'm not sure of the legality of dog fighting in the US, but I'd also contact the SE's. I've had G pull several sites or send them to position a miilion and one for not exactly doing anything illegal, but for doing stuff that is definitely amoral by anyone's standards.

    Like any company, SE's are staffed by people who are different and you might get a sympathetic ear. If you don't, then try again a couple of months later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Ward
    I'm not sure of the legality of dog fighting in the US, but I'd also contact the SE's. I've had G pull several sites or send them to position a miilion and one for not exactly doing anything illegal, but for doing stuff that is definitely amoral by anyone's standards.

    Like any company, SE's are staffed by people who are different and you might get a sympathetic ear. If you don't, then try again a couple of months later.
    Even being a spectator is a felony in many states. Your suggestion re the SEs is a good one...Thanks!
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