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  1. #1
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    Well everyone I am sad to announce we are not going to be with any networks at all. I am going to work as hard as I can to make everything pay off in house. For the big guys I will run a 2 tier system. $15 per sale and 15% racurring and 5% on the second level. Any thoughts an feedback would be awesome.

    John Solamito
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    Good luck John. I know some of the reasons for this decision, and wish you well.

    Obstinatedon

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

    Mahatma Gandhi

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    John,
    Best of luck! I think it is entirely possible to run a very successful in-house program. Your offer seems to be competetive, so you should have success enticing affiliates.

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    I woudld avoid datecam at all costs. I can only wonder why he would not go thru a third party plan... I asked him on another forum about spam i got from his company, he denied it was from him and said it was an affiliate. BS, I will show the spam below. I didn't say anything at first, and if he would have apologized and said they learned their lesson I could have lived with that - but he denied it. Check the below email, from the ip next to his, no affiliate code, his reply, from his company. GIVE ME A BREAK SPAMMER. If he would lie about this - what else would he lie about?


    Just as you don't support scumware. Do not support spammers. These people cost all of us money, they use resources that are not theirs and force all of us to pay in higher prices to our ISPs.

    And would you really trust a spammer to pay you fairly? I would not.



    From help@datecam.com Thu Aug 29 23:10:06 2002
    Return-Path: <help@datecam.com>
    Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
    by jupiter.gwalter.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g7TMA6510894
    for <$munged$@gwalter.demon.co.uk>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:10:06 +0100
    Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk
    by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.0)
    for $munged$@gwalter.demon.co.uk (multi-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:10:06 +0100 (BST)
    Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore
    for $munged$@gwalter.demon.co.uk id 1030658875:10:08300:14;
    Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:07:55 GMT
    Received: from web1.datecam.com ([64.95.82.34]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net
    id aa1113155; 29 Aug 2002 22:07 GMT
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    Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:45 -0500
    From: Danielle <help@datecam.com>
    Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:06 -0500
    Subject: We just released (beta) DateCam.com
    Message-ID: <bulk.30658.20020829165306@web1.datecam.com>
    X-Razored: Yes
    X-Domains: internap.com
    To: $munged$

    We just released (beta) DateCam.com - it's super deluxe and we'd like your
    feedback.

    It's a video enabled community chat, people have been enjoying it and we
    want you to come check it out.

    <http://www.datecam.com/>

    We intend to announce it to the general public at the end of the month, but
    need to work out the bugs first. There's nothing special required to join
    in the video chat channels, just the latest version of Flash. We just
    need to get some folks on the site to see what changes need to be made, in
    exchange for your time to come and check it out we are giving you a free
    membership for a year, people have been stoked about that. And there are
    no gimmicks, promise.

    If you'd like to check it out, please do so. I think you'll find the
    system's a lot of fun. If not, thanks for your time.

    Cheers!

    Danielle

    help@datecam.com

    ps - This is a one-time special invitation; you will not be mailed again.

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    Good luck John!!!

    Sorry it didn't work out with any of the networks.

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    Chez I will look at this thanks. And if you did get spammed I apologize I was not aware of this happening to be honest with you. I will make sure this does not happen. I do not want my names attached to spam.

    John Solamito
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    Chet I talked with my team about that specific email. Here is what they told me.

    It was only sent to public emails on not-for-profit sites.

    How is this called SPAM?

    John Solamito
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    You harvested emails and just bombed sites.


    I rest my case.

    Fools or liars - or both?

    You are one of those affiliate managers that should just keep talking. Eventually you will paint yourself in such a corner no one will touch you.

    I leave you to yourself. Keep talking.

    Chet

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    Well chet I will not keep talking. You know nothing about me or my company. One again I apologize if this did happen and I rest my case with you.

    John Solamito
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    Spam is not illegal in the U.S.

    GET BACK TO WORK!!!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Spam is not illegal in the U.S.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    But it still sucks @$$.

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    Repeated spam is illegal in my state.

    Scumware is not illegal, does that mean you support and trust scumware? Heyder, that is just a sad response by you.

    You don't like scumware because it costs you money, the same for spam. And in my case, I run a mail service for 75,000 users - spam has gone from being 25% of our mail to being between 50-60%. If you don't think in the long run you are paying for that, you are very naive. ISP have to buy additional bandwidth, additional storage, all to handle friendly little mails to non-profit sites (hahaha).

    When I look at a potential relationship with a company, I look where I can for honesty. I don't look for mistruths, half-truths, denial, and suspicious behavior. Look at datecam's reaction to my allegation - look at the spam I posted again, there is no doubt they sent it - which depending on the response they either agree or can't remember sending it or they sent it but it wasn't spam because it was spam. Why not just come clean right off and say - yeah we did that, we spammed - we will never do that again, we learned our lesson?

    But go ahead, trust them to keep track of your transactions in house. Good for you that you are such a trusting person. The web needs more people like you, affiliate marketing needs more people like you, otherwise who would be there to support scumware and the like?

    Chet

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    &gt;It was only sent to public emails on not-for-profit sites.

    &gt;How is this called SPAM?

    I cannot believe just how stupid the above question is.

    You spidered "not-for-profit" sites, to gather "public" email addresses, then sent UCE - unsolicited commercial email - to those addresses.

    That's called SPAMMING.

    For an affiliate manager not to realise that, well, good night nurse.

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    "Repeated spam is illegal in my state."

    /////////(was it repeated?) \\\\\\\\\/

    "Scumware is not illegal, does that mean you support and trust scumware? Heyder, that is just a sad response by you. "


    I don't know if I'm as gullable as you're making me out or not. I make a medium income doing what I do and spend my spare(work)time screwing around talking with ya'll. I get spams every day like everyone else and the ISP I work for spends a great deal of time, money and resources because of spam but like anything else costs are involved that you would rather not have.

    Merchants who send out a mailing in my personal opinion are not a problem. I have a problem when a merchant has 1000 affiliates all with the bright idea of spamming 1 million emails with the same penis enlargement campaign.

    GET BACK TO WORK!!!

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    I rest my case and time with this. I am not spamming you anymore and this was back before I joined the company. Once again I apologized and that the end of it.

    John Solamito
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heyder:
    "Repeated spam is illegal in my state."

    /////////(was it repeated?) \\\\\\\\\/

    "Scumware is not illegal, does that mean you support and trust scumware? Heyder, that is just a sad response by you. "


    I don't know if I'm as gullable as you're making me out or not. I make a medium income doing what I do and spend my spare(work)time screwing around talking with ya'll. I get spams every day like everyone else and the ISP I work for spends a great deal of time, money and resources because of spam but like anything else costs are involved that you would rather not have.

    Merchants who send out a mailing in my personal opinion are not a problem. I have a problem when a merchant has 1000 affiliates all with the bright idea of spamming 1 million emails with the same penis enlargement campaign.

    _GET BACK TO WORK!!!_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    We all get spams, that doesn't mean any of them are okay, merchant, affiliate or not, if the merchants do it, why wouldn't a 1000 affiliates do it?
    Datecam, you rest your case, I think a lot of us will rest our case and time with you. Bad luck with the affiliate program.

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    &gt;I rest my case and time with this.

    Read: "Gee, I wish this thread would go away. I'm getting a pasting"

    &gt;I am not spamming you anymore and this was back
    &gt;before I joined the company.

    Learnt your lesson, did you?

    But hang on a second. In another thread entitled "Personal affiliate highlights of 2002" you list your 2002 highlights as:

    "1. Launching datecam.com
    2. Launching our new affiliate program and working with them hand and hand we now have 160 webmasters."

    So in that thread, you were there from the start, but suddenly, when you've been exposed as a spammer, you started working there AFTER the spam.

    &gt;Once again I apologized and that the end of it.

    No it isn't, I'm afraid. Your two threads don't match up. This exposes you as a LIAR as well as a spammer.

    If I was an affliate of your program, there'd be big bells going off in my brain right now.

    Maybe that's why there's "no linkshare or CJ" - they didn't want you?

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