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    Question Michiganders - Are you ready for a Government Shutdown?
    These politicians need to poop or get off the pot!

    So, if we have the government shut down, like it looks like we probably will, will it affect you personally to any great extent?

    My sister-in-law got her layoff notice at the end of the day today, and the Detroit News is reporting layoff notices went out to 35,000 state employees.

    Here is a list of what will shut down:
    Closed or suspended services include:

    Agriculture Department: Horse racing, food safety inspection, gas pump inspection, animal disease monitoring, migrant labor camp inspections. Export from Michigan to foreign countries will cease impacting dry beans, lumber, nursery stock, grain, fruits and vegetables.

    Education Department: Shut down except Michigan School for the Deaf. If shutdown lasts, school aid payments will not be made on Oct. 22.

    Environmental Quality: No air quality, surface water discharge, wetlands or dredging permits will be issued. No environmental complaints will be received or investigated.

    History, Arts and Libraries: Library of Michigan and Michigan Historical Museum and historic sites around Michigan will be closed. Mackinac Island admission sites closed and no manure pickup on the island.

    Lottery players cannot purchase tickets or redeem winning tickets. Limited staff will carry out drawings for advanced ticket sales.

    State gaming staff will be idled, forcing casinos to close. But a Wayne County Circuit judge today ruled the casinos must stay open.

    Military and Veteran Affairs State Finance and State Human Resource office will be closed.

    Department of Natural Resources operations will shut down. That includes state parks, recreation areas, visitor centers and state forest campgrounds. Citizens with camping reservations will be eligible for a refund. Sale of hunting and fishing licenses may be delayed.

    All Secretary of State branch offices will be closed and on-line and mail transactions will not be processed.

    All Michigan State Police posts will be closed, and 200 of the 1,000 troopers will remain on the job. Crime lab services, drug and criminal investigations, detective services, disaster assistance and casino gaming oversight will be closed.

    All road construction, maintenance and administrative operations will stop. Rest areas will be closed. Six of the state's lift bridges -- in Detroit, Port Huron, St. Joseph, Bay City and Manistee -- will be locked in the up position, allowing only water traffic to proceed.

    Department of Treasury operations will be closed, including student loan disbursements and financial aid payments at the Michigan Education Trust and Michigan Education Savings Plan.

    Revenue sharing payments to local governments will be delayed if shutdown continues through Mid-October.


    Plus the delivery of alcohol and cigarettes will be impacted. People have been rushing out to stock up on both.

    So, what is your take on this?

    Full article here.
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    "Gov. Jennifer Granholm said the Legislature has not acted on her budget in seven months, leaving her with little choice but to impose these drastic cutbacks on Monday, unless there's an agreement over the weekend."

    My take on this is the bold part.

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    Yeah, we can only hope that they get their 'stuff' together over the weekend.

    Even if it does happen, I don't think it will last for very long.
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    Geeeeeeeeeze, what a fiasco! I've never heard of a state government just shutting down. Sounds really scary. Hope they work things out before this actually happens.
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    Suspended services & education for my 1st grader? Where is my tax rebate?

    In all seriousness, Michigan is in a "one state recession". This is getting serious. As of the time of this post, they are trying to reconcile a 1.7 Billllllllon dollar gab.

    Doesn't matter what you do in this state, you will be impacted. From a UAW member, state employee or CEO, all will feel the pain of this and already are.

    Not much reason NOT to look elsewhere to raise your family.

    The State and the city of Detroit have been criminally mismanaged for a long time.

    It is called GREED and ARROGANCE bred from the leadership of the big three auto companies and related suppliers.

    Simply Insane.

    Jeff Daniels (the actor that lives in MI) just started doing commercials trying to lure TECH companies. Geez - Do you think they could have waited any longer to think outside the box?

    Crazy.

    Since, I can really go anywhere - My husband and I would go tomorrow. One problem though, no one will buy my Michigan home.

    Unbelieveable.

    ---Dreaming of life in Coeur d'Alene----

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    "And in 5 years... you're going to be blown away!"

    Well I guess she was right about that one wasn't she?
    The last one out of Michigan remember to turn off the lights...

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    Chet B - that is hilarious.

    Everytime that "in five years you'll be blown away" deal came on the tube - my 6 year would say "there is that crazy lady again". I chip of the ole block - eh?

    First time I heard her say it, I knew we were doomed.

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    New York hasn't passed a budget on time in 20 years. Seriously.

    And one of our counties actually filed bankruptcy.

    But life continues on as normal. I'm not sure your governor can actually do all of that. The courts will step in. Like they did with your Casinos*

    * Nice priorities
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    This is tragically ironic, considering all the money spent "building Iraq".

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    " State gaming staff will be idled, forcing casinos to close. But a Wayne County Circuit judge today ruled the casinos must stay open."

    Priorities. :-)
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    Well if the secretary of state closes down people are going to have a hard time driving to those casinos with expired licenses and registrations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexanne
    " State gaming staff will be idled, forcing casinos to close. But a Wayne County Circuit judge today ruled the casinos must stay open."

    Priorities. :-)
    The casino's argument was that they wanted to stay open so the large amount of money that gets funneled to the detroit schools and public safety will continue.

    "It's a victory for public schools in Michigan and public safety programs in the city of Detroit that will continue to benefit from $1 million a day the three casinos pay to them."
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    What will happen to the checks for those on a state pension?

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    Not the lottery, surely not! Where would the politicians get the funds for all their pet projects now??! Once the Gov. put that on the table, the gloves came off, lol.
    Following everyone else is a GREAT way to become average.

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    I would think that the first place the state should look to save money would be the salary and expenses of it's elected officials. If they can't produce a working budget then they are obviously not doing their jobs and don't deserve to be paid.

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    I'm trying to convince my fiance that we should move back to Michigan...this certainly doesn't help.

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    So, if we have the government shut down, like it looks like we probably will, will it affect you personally to any great extent?
    It depends how long they stay shut down. A couple of days is no biggie.

    I'd be extremely surprised if they actually dragged this out for weeks...

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    Surprise........DH and my son got booted off a Michigan State Park. Everyone out by 1:00pm today. The staff at the park, I hear, is pretty sad & outraged.

    Sad, Indian Summer weekends camping on the water front are soooo beautiful.

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    Well, one committee has passed adding our 6% sales tax to services. 23 service categories to be exact.

    It will be interesting to see what services will be taxed. Basically it says if the service is discretionary, it will be taxed.

    Examples given are: ski tickets, administrative services such as payroll, investment services, consultants, warehousing and storage, specialized design, landscaping and janitorial services would be taxed

    Tickets to sporting and entertainment events, golf, dry cleaning or to legal or accounting services will not be taxed.

    I am guessing I will have to start charging sales tax on website design.

    Waiting to see how this pans out if passed.
    Last edited by ~Michelle; September 30th, 2007 at 01:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    It depends how long they stay shut down. A couple of days is no biggie.

    I'd be extremely surprised if they actually dragged this out for weeks...
    I don't think it'll go there because I think that's when the Federal Gov, might step in? I think I remember something like this before and if they don't get things right, someone steps in and orders them to. Gov or some court, something. They just need to lock themselves in, pull some overnighters, order some pizza, knock it out.

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    The house failed to pass the tax on services. It says they can vote on it one more time before it closes out.

    Just 7 hours to go before times up.
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    Clock is ticking... i guess CA is not the only state with that prob

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    Well the shutdown was averted.

    We Michiganders are being treated to a 6% sales tax on a slew of services, and an increase in the state income tax from 3.9% to 4.35%, and a few other things.
    ~Michelle
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    Things like this don't help either...

    http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-...0122--,00.html

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    Posted by simcat:
    Things like this don't help either...

    http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7...70122--,00.html
    OK, if I understand the story correctly, he was guilty of embezzlement. However, he didn't actually get any of the money, because he fell for one of those Nigerian scams and sent all that money to people that were scamming him?

    That's even than dumber the convenience store clerk that was busted in a local town years ago for stealing lottery tickets. She had kept scratching off tickets figuring that once she found a big winner she could use the winnings to pay off the ones she already scratched off. After several hours of getting deeper in debt, she finally called the police and reported a robbery (she used money in the store to pay off the tickets).
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