View Poll Results: Do "Spam Prevention" Measures Turn You Off?

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  • YES, I'll never contact that merchant/AM/OPM again

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  1. #1
    AM Navigator Geno Prussakov's Avatar
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    Question Affiliates: Do "Spam Prevention" Measures Turn You Off?
    Over the past years I have seen affiliates post about this or that AM/OPM not replying to their e-mails, and it would eventually be traced to a "spam folder" or something of a kind.

    Yesterday, an interesting observation and conclusion was posted in the "As An Affiliate I Hate..." thread. I do not know if it is about the way our system is set up (AM Navigator uses SpamArrest), but it really doesn't matter. What matters is this: Is this a common feeling among affiliates or it depends?

    Many thanks in advance for your votes.

    Geno

    PS: In my question "spam prevention" measures imply solely automated e-mails asking you to click a link to verify you are not a robot, or a spammer.

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    For me, it depends. I absolutely despise that type of spam control, because it essentially propogates the impact of spam.

    Consider what would happen if everyone in the world used this type of "solution" to solve the problem of spam. Then, if someone forges my email address as the From address in 10,000 spams, I will get 10,000 "verify that you're real" emails from people I never sent email to. That's just as bad as spam.

    Another big problem with it is that many other spam solutions flag those "verify that you're real" emails as spam.

    Still, I understand why people use it. It really does block virtually every spam. I'm sure it blocks quite a bit of legitimate email, too, as not everyone will get the "verify that you're real" email (see the previous paragraph).
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    Similar to the reasons Michael noted, I would expect a merchant to have better control over what they are doing than to revert to archaic means of spam control. Forcing a convoluted means of contacting them would make me apprehensive about their other methods of doing business. I would steer clear...

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    Michael's example (of confirmation emails sent to a victim whose email is forged as the sender of a spam) is a very real one. About once each month, I'll have a 4- to 6-hour period when I get dozens of these "please confirm" emails which are sent in response to spams that were forged using my return address.

    I think it's perfectly reasonable for a consumer (or a business professional who does not ordinarily conduct business online) to use this strategy to avoid spam, and I'd jump through those hoops to verify my identity in this situation.

    But it is not appropriate for someone who is conducting busines online to use this strategy; it creates a burden and inconvenience on your customers.

    As an affiliate, if I sent an email to an affiliate manager or OPM and received an automated "please confirm your identity" email, I'd probably ignore it. I think the survey question uses "yes" and "no" answers that are "too extreme," so I selected "It depends," but really my answer is "no, I would usually not bother to respond and thus would not end up doing business with them."

    When I wear the "affiliate manager" hat, I do sometimes see these confirmation emails coming from affiliates who've applied to a merchant program, and I think it's a bad idea (since an affiliate is doing business online) but when I'm in that role, I'd certainly follow through to confirm.

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    While I think it is perfectly reasonable for an individual to use reasonable methods to reduce their burden, I don't feel that it is reasonable for them to put an additional burden on me while doing so.

    The proliferation of spam has long been a major headache for everyone, but just imagine if everyone employed this method of reducing it. It would be a nightmare of bounced emails and non-replies. If this method does become more prevalent (and I hope it doesn't) it will only be a matter of time until the spammers begin spoofing these emails too.

    Unfortunately, I think that the only way that the spam problem will be solved will be when the email providers begin charging a token fee for every email sent.

    I agree with Mark that the survey questions are "too extreme" so I'm voting it depends also.

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    It bothers me that my e-mails seem to get in the spam mail folder even though my e-mail messages don't contain anything to identify them as such. Filters are set way too high.

    I don't mind answering a confirmation mail if I only have to click on a link. I don't want to have to fill out a form though.

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    But it is not appropriate for someone who is conducting busines online to use this strategy; it creates a burden and inconvenience on your customers.
    I've reached the super jaded point

    I STRONGLY agree with MW... and then some

    If ANY of my emails to an OPM, an affiliate manager, or even another affiliate... end up in the spam filter or are returned... then I assume they are NOT online professionals... and NOT worth my time

    If you do business online, you need to accept emails, so DEAL WITH IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Kay
    I've reached the super jaded point

    I STRONGLY agree with MW... and then some

    If ANY of my emails to an OPM, an affiliate manager, or even another affiliate... end up in the spam filter or are returned... then I assume they are NOT online professionals... and NOT worth my time

    If you do business online, you need to accept emails, so DEAL WITH IT!
    Totally agree.

    AMs/OPMs/Merchants should not be using Spam Arrest or other similar programs. Use internal filters in your email program.
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    What Billy Said!

    BTW, personally I see spam arrest as more of an affiliate oppty than a real tool.

    Edited to add:
    In all fairness I have never tried spam arrest for my email, so I can't really speak of it's effectiveness, however I've been sooo turned off by it's opportunistic nature and poor usability that I doubt I will ever use the service.
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    I agree totally with Billy, Loxly, and Haiko, and I'm voting "YES, I'll never contact that merchant/AM/OPM again" with the caveat that depending on time and my mood, I might verifty/respond to their filter only to tell them what Mark and rematt described so well, and that this is the last they'll hear from me unless they change their system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rematt
    While I think it is perfectly reasonable for an individual to use reasonable methods to reduce their burden, I don't feel that it is reasonable for them to put an additional burden on me while doing so.

    -rematt
    Ditto
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    AM Navigator Geno Prussakov's Avatar
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    Good feedback. Thank you very much for it, boys and gals.

    Geno

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