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    A couple of times in the past weeks I've seen on TV senior Iraqis smirking to each other about a "big surpise" they have in store for the Americans and their allies. At that time they seemed very confident. Then, just a couple of days ago (if I understood correctly), one of their spokesmen mentioned at a press conference they would be "incinerating" allied forces "God willing" (though sounding a little less confident than previously). Since people are not incinerated by chemical or biological weapons what could they have been referring to other than nukes??? Could they have them, be willing to use them and allied governments have been withholding this information from all of us? This possibility certainly makes for listening more carefully to what all sides are saying in this conflict and for attempting to read between the lines. For everyone's sake I'll be very happy for this suspicion to be proved unfounded.

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    tmd5,
    they have to say "God willing" when talking about anything in the future, it's a religious thing
    as for nukes, no they don't have any, I think that's a definate at least

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    If that is the case it'd be enough to get all of us war-opposers to immediately support the war.

    Personally and quite frankly I doubt only 6 or 7 nations have nukes, I wouldn't doubt it for one second that Iraq or Iran have nukes as well.

    War is not so simple as the Bush administration has shown the american public, this may very well get nasty and it already is, today 2 planes down, marine casualties and Iraq has US POW's.

    I oppose Bush and the war but not our american friends in the battlefield. I'm praying they end this soon.

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    >Personally and quite frankly I doubt only 6 or 7 nations have nukes, I wouldn't doubt it for one second that Iraq or Iran have nukes as well.

    I think this too. There is something about this whole venture into Iraq that's been puzzling right from the begining and that is the attitude of Tony Blair. I can understand why people think the Americans might have ulterior motives in this war but Tony Blair? I just don't get where he's coming from. He's embraced this war with such fervour that I find myself asking time and again, why? Why has he pursued this course of action with such vigour? And nothing he has said about his reasons is entirely convincing. So what is it that is driving him that he is not saying? The only thing I can think is that he knows something so secret and so awful that this is what has motivated him and possibly the Americans too. And maybe its nukes. Or maybe something else even worse though I can't imagine what.

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    In any case, the IAEA concluded that the documents widely circulated last year linking Iraq with attempted fissile materials from Niger and other African nations were, in fact, fakes created by an unknown party. What's more they concluded that there was no evidence of any sort that Iraq was trying to get fissile materials from Africa as suggested by the US and UK.

    Of course, the Coalition *are* going to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. You'll have to decide for yourself if they were there to begin with or just planted.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Of course, the Coalition *are* going to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. You'll have to decide for yourself if they were there to begin with or just planted.
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    Yep...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Since people are not incinerated by chemical or biological weapons what could they have been referring to other than nukes??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Napalm or similar, conventional bombs, burning oil or gasoline...or maybe it is indeed nukes.

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    I'd also count Daisy Cutters and MOAB as weapons of mass destruction. Uranium-enriched anti-tank shells as used on A10s are as a side effect pretty unpleasant radiological weapons. Come to think of it, a B52 is pretty powerful thing to be on the wrong end of.

    I guess a WMD is defined as whatever the *enemy* might have in their arsenal, whereas anything in *our* arsenal is just a weapon of "Shock and Awe".

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>War is not so simple as the Bush administration has shown the american public, this may very well get nasty and it already is, today 2 planes down, marine casualties and Iraq has US POW's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Bush has stated over and over that we should not take this war lightly, that it will not be a short war, and to expect casulties. I don't think he is trying to make it simple. I just wish he'd leave religion out of his speeches.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Could they have them, be willing to use them and allied governments have been withholding this information from all of us? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    hello.....exactly who is withholding? The question seems to be just how far have they progressed the development since GWI and whether they would be used. Only Saddem can answer that last part. Do dirty bombs count?

    Which makes me think of yet another unanswered question that probably will be at some point in the future. Weapons grade uranium and platonium are tagged with makers that can be traced back to their origins. Could it be that some countries who have been so opposed to this war are concerned about when things are found that they will be tested and will be traced back to where Iraq got this stuff? Seems some folks already have stores that have gone missing. No accusations here, just has me wondering when you brought up the nuclear thing. In all honesty, I wouldn't surprised at any possibilty of where certain things originated from.

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    3/24/2003 British manufacturer's weapons linked to hidden cache of missiles
    GETHIN CHAMBERLAIN ON THE ROAD TO BASRA AND DAN MCDOUGALL


    BRITISH troops mopping up Iraqi opposition outside Basra have discovered a large cache of weapons, including Russian-made cruise missiles and warheads, hidden inside fortified bunkers at a massive arsenal abandoned by Saddam Hussein’s disintegrating southern army.

    It also emerged last night that a number of cargo crates amid the lethal arms depot bore the stamp and address of one of Britain’s most respected arms firms, Wallop Defence Systems, which supplies guided missiles technology to the British and United States army. Wallop, a subsidiary of Cobham plc, a British aviation conglomerate, is based in Middle Wallop, Hampshire, and specialises in high-reliability Missile Tracking Flares for tail-tracked guided missiles and electrically-initiated Rocket Motor Igniters.

    The weapons cache was discovered as forward units from the Black Watch regiment came across the abandoned Az Zubayr heliport base on the outskirts of Basra and penetrated a network of bunkers beneath the complex.

    As the Black Watch unit explored the bunkers, they were given an alarming insight into Iraq’s weapons capability as they discovered cases of rockets, giant anti-shipping mines and other ammunition piled from floor to ceiling in dozens of individual storage bunkers.

    The vast military complex, to the south-west of Basra, is defended by a network of earth works, with tanks and other armoured vehicles dug in to the surrounding area .

    Outside the complex, Black Watch units searched around 40 bunkers packed with a mixture of RPGs and other ammunition. Inside the perimeter, 22 larger fortified bunkers containing larger weaponry, including the al-Harith missiles, were discovered.

    The missiles, with al-Harith 2002 stencilled in red paint on the side and covered with Cyrillic writing, were housed in 60ft long concrete bunkers, 25ft high, buried under earth and protected by sliding steel double doors one foot thick.

    Painted grey, they had two wings, each about 2ft in span, and three tail fins on a similar size. There was no indication of the nature of the warheads fitted and experts have been called in to examine the find.

    Also housed inside the reinforced bunkers were what appeared to be large anti-shipping mines, 3ft in diameter, and a host of other munitions. On one box, written in English, were the words: "Contract AS Navy. 5/1980 Iran".

    According to one senior Black Watch officer, a number of the boxes were clearly marked with the names of British manufacturers and one pile of crates in a store housing rocket-propelled grenades bore the name of Wallop .

    It is not known how the weapons were sourced or indeed how they ended up in Iraqi hands but sources from the Ministry of Defence claimed that the find highlighted the threat from the burgeoning black market arms trade across the Middle East.

    In a related development, the US said it had protested to Moscow about reports Russian firms have sold Iraq anti-tank missiles, night vision goggles and jamming gear. A spokeswoman for the State Department said Moscow’s response had not been satisfactory.

    In 1991, Wallop industries denied links to Iraq after secret documents found by Kurdish protesters in the Iraqi embassy showed Iraqi diplomats in London were at the hub of a widespread arms and ammunition procurement network going back at least ten years.

    Anyone bother to wonder how rockets fired by Iraq land in Kuyait daily from launch sites outside and norht of Bagdad??? Thought the UN said NO to any missles over 92 miles in 1991 ceasefire document.

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    Where is the above report from? I see you've given some names but I don't recognise them.

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