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    Ben Franklin said:

    "Those who would give up their essential liberty for a little temporary saftey, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

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    I wouldn't go so far as to say that such a large segment of the population "desrves neither liberty nor safety", but I agree with the general sentiment- that "giving up essential liberties for a little temporary safety" is very much a loosing trade...

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    Other quotes from Ben....

    I never heard of a good war or a bad peace...

    Fart proudly...

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    On liberty/safety--when "temporary safety" is all that's needed (for instance, for a very temporary threat), then I would disagree with him. But when there is a good chance that the threat will remain, then I would agree--there is too much probability that liberty will be permanently eroded.

    As for Vicki's quotations:

    #1 Hadn't anyone tried a policy of appeasement (a "bad peace" IMO) in his time, and had it blow up in their faces?? I'd be more prone to think he didn't *listen*, rather than that he really had "never heard of" a bad peace or a good war.

    #2 "Fart proudly" is a weird but somehow agreeable statement...

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vicki:
    Other quotes from Ben....

    I never heard of a good war or a bad peace...

    Fart proudly...

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    lol...
    I heard the "Fart" part, but not what Ben said!

    The "Fart" will sure blow any body away! LOL...

    Love Life to the fullest. we only get ONE chance! :-) !

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    I think the key word is "essential" here. Very often there are small things that you can trade for better security, such as better baggage checks at airports.

    Also, there's a difference between wartime and peacetime. In a genuine national emergency things have to be different.

    In the west people have a habit of doing what they want in any case. Think Prohibition. Think dodgy herbal cigarettes. Think speed limits.

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    Real question is would you be willing to die for those essential freedoms? Some cultures never thought we would be willing to lay down our lives to assure Life-Liberty and persuit of happiness.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Real question is would you be willing to die for those essential freedoms? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    YES, I would! It is a debt I owe to those who died so that I can be free. But, would I be willing to do it foolishly, before all other options have been exhausted or when there may be doubt that those freedoms are in fact threatened? No, that would be stupid and a waste of the sacrifice others made for me.

    Besides, at least my death would mean something. Since I must die anyway, it sure beats dying for another cigarette which I probably will.

    That's an easy question. The hard question is would I be willing for my son to die to protect my freedoms. That is a horror beyond imagination to me.

    That is why I think wars ought to be fought by old people.

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    &gt;Real question is would you be willing to die for those essential freedoms?

    Funny how there are actually more people dying on the Iraqi side.....

    Because one of the essential freedoms is not to tolerate one country imposing their views on another, specially by force.

    (Ouch...)

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    Well now see because of that last post this has become a war thread and I believe I'm supposed to close it.

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