[chetf]

Mike that is illegal, Haiko that post should be removed.

[chetf]

By the way, Dynamoo of course they are on that movers list. They just had an influx of webmasters who all desperately want to say alexa means nothing, but still have it installed on their systems, visit their site.

It is pretty easy to give yourself a big jump, just piss off a bunch of webmasters and make them want to check out your site.

Chet

[flamingoworld]

Ummm Chet, if you had looked you would have noticed that 247malls has had a 66% DECLINE....not a big jump...

[Haiko de Poel, Jr.]

Right, and it looks to me that they did a two week trial of the 1800 product in June and then went full force with it until caught thus the return to yearly normal traffic levels.



<font size="2" face="Verdana">Haiko


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[Dynamoo]

You see Alexa *is* useful sometimes

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[Sideburn]

So I downloaded the N-Case software, to do some testing on my own site. Vanns got an interesting pop-over. Something called dynadirect??? Anyone know what that is? I noticed they even have an affiliate program in CJ. Maybe this was expained earlier in the thread...sory if it was

[Vinny O'Hare]

So what are we to do about this is the real story. do we all just combine together and drop a certain merchant all on the same day i dont know. what i do know is after being victimized by this "Comparison Alternative Shopping Engine" I will be dropping over 50 cj merchants/linkshare asap since i will not be making any money from them no sense in letting them advertise on my website for which i pay for!

Thanks BLFH for all your hard work if you want to put my url or video up here be my guest.

did anyone else just laugh when reading that email anyone who read one post here would of stopped at "Comparison Alternative Shopping Engine" and deleted email asap sorry i dont buy it. to all the honest Am's expect even more links from me since i will have plenty of space. Months or seo down the drain but at least i got good at it enough that someone wanted to steal my links
vinny

[Nova]

sorry to hear your recent issue nyfalcon.

It seems that no matter what you do to report the problems about the scums all they gonna get is a slap in a hand.
Sad!

What does the COC stand for? Crooks Overwriting Commissions.
Don't worry! Tracking is infected!
Love Life to the fullest. we only get ONE chance! :-)

[Chris - AMWSO]

Hi Poon

I gather that was aimed at me, so I'll repeat what I posted in my other reply over here

(http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=548608979&f=6856005564&m=6376085455)

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This is what makes ABW such a fun place and makes being visible in taking action really worth the effort.

Lets see, how many of you drop a merchant who is Parastic...none of you, , I already ran that thread and only one person could honestly say this is so.

APPENDED : though I add that some like Vinny and WomanHT do make that extra effort. which is great.

EDUCATION, if a merchant who is parasitic drops the parasites do you turn round and say "HA Tough, we're not signing up anyway!" , no you don't, so what I see here is set of double standards that you, would like me to conform to...correct?

Second, EDUCATION, now whether the affiliate was truthful or not in their ignorance of parasitic marketing, You and I will never ever know. BUT as I, Believed we all know, you don't educate and convert people by hacking off their heads? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Third, if I cut him off, will that stop him from using 180...no it won't, he will continue to use, continue to target your sites and simply promote a different merchant, correct me if I am wrong.

So we have two choices, educate or cut, educate leaves us with one more person who understands and can tell other people, cut just leaves all of our sites as exposed as before to the affiliate, who will probably target us twice as much, just to be spiteful.

And of course wouldn't it be fun if WhenU and Ebates saw that they could get people removed from Mondera by simply running a Pop Up Add for your site over someone elses, which they have the ability to do, should I simply cut you off, or would you like the chance to find out what is going on?

IF a person fails to listen, decides that they don't want to be educated then I'll apply the terms of the agreement.

Your replies as posted above make me wonder about the wisdom in making posts to thank people for tracking down people.

Feedback is good but I think we should look at the big picture before jumping to conclusions about how fast the axe should fall.

The affiliate has been given to Friday 6pm my time to get things cleared up, if at that time it's not then he's history.

Thanks

Chris


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[Nova]

How can it be double standard when we are the one being undermine?

I put my efforts to the merchants that is saying they are anti parasites and saying that if they are found scumming others they will be dropped. I have been pulling one by one all I can and putting the one that says they are for us. And i have seen those effort really pays.

I'm not the one that says if found guilty you are a goner!


I really hope that your method will work for the sake of all affiliates that try their best to stay clean and make a living in this business. But the way it's looking is there's more going on the bad side because they are tired of being screwed every single day.

What does the COC stand for? Crooks Overwriting Commissions.
Don't worry! Tracking is infected!
Love Life to the fullest. we only get ONE chance! :-)

[flamingoworld]

I think there is a big difference between affiliates stealing from affiliates and me promoting merchants who work with parasitic affiliates.

Many times the merchants are told by networks that these parasites are good affiliates and that they are in compliance. They are lulled into working with parasites by the networks.

My working with merchants who partner with parasites is completely different than affiliates getting caught stealing from other affiliates.

It is not the merchant stealing from me. It is the parasite. The networks should be the ones taking care of this, not letting the parasites into the network and policing their affiliates to see when they become parasitic.

But giving affiliates second chances when caught stealing from other affiliates is wrong.

[elbowcreek]

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Lets see, how many of you drop a merchant who is Parastic...none of you, , I already ran that thread and only one person could honestly say this is so.
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Chris- Must have missed that thread, I've dropped merchants for dealing with parasites before, as have many others here.

Now, I give merchants a chance to prove themselves first, I point them to ABW, specific threads, and if they do not respond, I drop them. I'm sure I still have many merchants that do have parasitic affiliates - but I can tell you, the ones I'm working with and actively promoting are parasite free.

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[Chris - AMWSO]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It is not the merchant stealing from me. It is the parasite. The networks should be the ones taking care of this, not letting the parasites into the network and policing their affiliates to see when they become parasitic.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And nothing says a merchant need take any action against this at all. Even if a system is rewmoved from a Network, such as WhenU, then an affiliate using that network to target other affiliates is beyond the control of the network, they will have no way to see what is happening without the videos such as Mrs B does.

So what we get is a Merchant who would rather educate before terminating, becuase that IS the only way to stop this guy from doing what he is doing, rather than getting gun happy and ending up with some one who will carry on targeting your sites... Tell me what do you prefer

a. Affiliate is educated and stops doing it?
b. Affiliate is banned from a merchant program, and therefore carries on targeting your sites for a different merchant?

Which will cost you more in terms of revenue?

Which will promote and benefit everyone in the long term struggle to stamp out parasitic marketing at all levels?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I really hope that your method will work for the sake of all affiliates that try their best to stay clean and make a living in this business. But the way it's looking is there's more going on the bad side because they are tired of being screwed every single day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So do I, and I wish more people were focused on attempting Education before the cull. Will culling a person without first trying to make them see the light benefit any of us ....not at all.

Cheers

Chris


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[flamingoworld]

But Chris, was the person "really" educated or just caught?
Can't tell me the person wasn't already quite educated on what they were doing and knew it wasn't quite right.

Many out there are very well educated on the issues but choose to do these things and make the most of it hoping they don't get caught.

[ecomcity]

Chris stated in another section:
"Maybe what is needed is a "Merchants against Parasites" Association. That supports each other across these kind of issues, if they targeted Szul for example, Mondera would drop them. Of course this means you end up with two very distinct camps "merchants for" and "merchants against".... is that a bad thing I wonder?"

No Chris this is the perfect senerio if put out in the open. Right now the black-White & Gray flag is being flown atop the networks headquarters. The damn gray part is what is killing all honest ethical affiliates. The Good guy "White" merchants are givin that position because of their AM's sales attitudes and ethics. None begrudge their competition getting their fair share.

The Black merchants practice all the diversion tactics, have cart on/off switches, run cookie setting e-mail spam campaigns, always pay late, and seek out BHO parasites. The majority of these are run by the professional AM firms operating as fronts for the IAB/DMA members.

The Gray merchants are the Dupers (affiliates posing as merchants), who like the sleezebag affiliates, will do anything for a buck. They play all affiliates as dupes and the only thing they respect is the outer limits of greed driven ebiz plans.

Forming a collective of merchant AM's boycotting or dropping known sleezeball affiliates or Dupers is the perfect message. The real merchant's management hearing their AM's are lazy shortcut sleezeballs will fire them. So be it as the wholesale firing of the 3rd party affiliate management firms running Black & Gray programs won't hurt their real business one IOTA.

Mike & Charlie ...

If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

[Ebudae]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris - WSO:
Hi Poon

I gather that was aimed at me, so I'll repeat what I posted in my other reply over here

(http://abw.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=548608979&f=6856005564&m=6376085455)

--------------------------------------------
This is what makes ABW such a fun place and makes being visible in taking action really worth the effort.

Lets see, how many of you drop a merchant who is Parastic...none of you, , I already ran that thread and only one person could honestly say this is so.

Thanks

Chris
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chris, I don't recall if I replied in that thread or not - but I will here.

Right before Christmas I did pull links from a merchant that is very profitable to me - because despite my pleas for them to abandon parasites, they would not. I will also add that there is NO other place to obtain their products and I took a big hit in doing so.

I have often quit working with merchants because of parasites. I believe I have 3 4r 4 left and I am actively looking for replacements. Right now for financial reasons I cannot just drop them without a replacement.

That is as honest as I can be. I do try.

But ya know, we can't do it on our own. I posted a thread about a place that overwrites merchants banners and asked for help. Only a few merchants replied. Sad....

Right now I am just tired of working so many hours with so little return - like paltry commissions compared to what the merchants make (33 thou for one and I got a little over 1 thou), like asking for help and not getting it, networks and merchants that get rich off our efforts and expect us to just be happy for what we get, etc...

It's things like that that get me discouraged...

I am not blaming you but just expressing the frustration.



Ebudae

If you understand, things are just as they are...
if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

[Chris - AMWSO]

Hi Connie

I'll be the first to admit that education on parasites isn't always an over night event,If he has ideas of switching off 180 now and then switching back after the checks are cut he'll be dissapointed to see that his payment is held over for all Valentines, just in case. Ultimately, if he retracts his move to play fair he will loose out and I'll publish his domain info.

Cheers

Chris


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[Chris - AMWSO]

Hi Ebudae

I;m not sure if I responded to the banner overwrite thread or not, there are a lot of threads

I think on that one my question was "who do I complain too", I have to check back and see what the answer was.

It's not a pretty playing field and everyone, except the parasites, are losing right now. Sometimes it's easy to lose sight of the fact that we are all (here) on the same side.

One question, did you drop the merchant and then try to educate them, or try to educate and then drop. NB PM me the product i'll see if we have any prospects in that area

Cheers

Chris


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[Ebudae]

I tried for over a year to educate this merchant - including sending screen shots of what was going on. They are with Linkshare.. sigh

Thanks for the offer - I have checked and no one carries what they have. It is exclusive to their company.

Thanks though!

Ebudae

If you understand, things are just as they are...
if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

[Haiko de Poel, Jr.]

[Feb 29th, leap into ... reality]

<font size="2" face="Verdana">Haiko


The secret of success is constancy of purpose. ~ Disraeli</font></p>

[flamingoworld]

Hey Haiko, that Feb 29th thing, is that the thing you mentioned in NYC?

[Haiko de Poel, Jr.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Connie Berg:
Hey Haiko, that Feb 29th thing, is that the thing you mentioned in NYC? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



<font size="2" face="Verdana">Haiko


The secret of success is constancy of purpose. ~ Disraeli</font></p>

[phillyburbs]

Feb. 29th? NYC?



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[rogerl]

Hi everyone,

Firstly, What a great forum. I came here from a link in one of the UK forums and having nothing better to do for the last 7 hours have been reading this thread.

My opinion. As I clicked the last few pages, I have realised that no one has actually come up with a solution to the problem. The problem is not going to go away by punishing a few merchants or affiliates or even getting the networks to drop the parasites. You might hit 0.5% of 180 solutions client base but how long do you really think it will take for them to recover if indeed they actually notice.

It's like the problem with drugs. Companys like 180 sol are the drug barrons, the dodgy merchants and dodgy affiliates are the dealers and the millions of people sitting at their computers looking for our websites are the users. It's supply and demand. Cut off the demand and the supply will stop.

Lets face it, 99% of the people surfing the internet haven't got a clue what is on their computer and most of them are not aware that they are being tricked when they visit sites that are targeted. Even if, when they are sick of all the popups, they did try to uninstall the parasite, the uninstall package warns them that they may be doing something may adversly affect their internet experience which will scare most of them so as not to carry on with the uninstall process.

Tell them that they have a nice fluffy Comparison Shopping Software on their computer and most will shrug their shoulders and say ok. Tell them that it is a Parasite and that it is tracking their every move on the net and they will run for the uninstall button.

How do we educate them? Tell them when they visit our sites. On one of the UK boards, we were discussing a different problem with Norton Internet Security blocking affiliate links when someone there posted this link. It's a piece of javascript that does something simple. When the user visits your site, it detects the presence of parasites on their computer and tells them what it is and how they can get rid of it. Even if your site is not a target this will still work if the users computer is infected. If you are a target then I would suggest modifying the script to pop up a new window over the top of the intruders window to make sure the visitor knows they have a problem.

If we all put something like this on our sites I think that it would have more of an effect than lynching a few dodgy merchants and affiliates.

Thats my opinion anyway.

Roger.

[elbowcreek]

Hiya Roger-

I do have that link posted on a couple of my sites, but you are right, I need to go back and add that to all of my sites. Thanks for the reminder!

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